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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by dmingod666 »

hervature wrote: post #95

I am posting this because there seems to be a large misunderstanding about the Alex Jones episodes being "removed" by Spotify. I am also going to give you a warning. I am going to post a link to Infowars, yes, that Infowars. It is one of the few sources that actually attempts to clarify the story behind the "removed" episodes. If you are a reasonable person, you would take this opportunity to reevaluate the sources y…

Dude, friendly advice, listen to Infowars all you want, don't take them seriously, its bad for your mental health.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by xupybd »

xnxn wrote: post #155
hnzix wrote: post #132

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> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

Why does he then use his own voice to breathlessly repeat debunked rumors about left-wing activists in Portland? You think he'll correct the record in the next episode? https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-rogan-podcast-forest-fir...

While he probably should retract that there is a lot of false information going around. I think people are conflating this guy https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thepostmillennial.com/arson... with Antifa. But he just appears to be your run of the mill crazy arsonist.

Also it's worth pointing out Antifa did go around starting fires. Mainly in cities, burning down businesses and police cars.

He used to go around saying the moon landing was fake but did a 180 on that. So he might yet retract his claim.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by 4ggr0 »

loopback_device wrote: post #188
dkdk8283 wrote: post #64

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This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…

> We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Sex, breasts, swearwords? As far as I can remember the American staple was and is to bleep every fucking thing that could potentially be connected to a nipple.

Exactly. It's weird to watch US talk shows as a european.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by ithkuil »

drlobster wrote: post #186
ithkuil wrote: post #178

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Did Joe Rogan literally proclaim himself as a neo-nazi or is it a hyperbole? Genuinely curious, since a quick web search didn't shed any light in that question

I had to read the paragraph a few times, but I think what is being said is that "Joe has hosted self proclaimed neo-Nazis'.

oh sorry I totally misparsed the sentence

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by 4ggr0 »

ALittleLight wrote: post #177

There's a quote in the Vice article that this seems to be based on discussing a recent guest Shrier who wrote a book against transgender youth. "She also described wanting to transition as a "contagion" with the potential to infect other children, an entirely scientifically baseless idea, Men's Health noted." The idea that transgender identification is, in part, a social contagion, is the subject of academic research…

This reminds me of people back in the day saying that homosexuality is a "disease" which is being spread by homosexuality.

I'm not a scientist, but isn't it just the fact of being educated that such exist? If I don't know about transgenderism, or I know about it but people view it as a negative thing, I would never get the idea of being it myself, right? I just live my whole life with a strange feeling of not really knowing who I am. If, on the other hand, I know about it and the culture is accepting of it, I can finally know who I am because I feel like I found myself.

I really doubt that people start hormone-therapy just because they heard about transgenderism and were somehow brainwashed into thinking that they are trans as well...It actually sounds like a disgusting theory to me, could come from a certain german group in the 1930's.

If I was born 100 years prior, I probably never would've known that I have ADHD or am Bi-Sexual. Now with the internet all the information is available to me and I suddenly get to know myself. I doubt that the internet or the culture made me bi or ADHD. I just found out thanks to those things :)

People back in the day were labeled as dumb people because they couldn't read, now we know that there's a thing called dyslexia.

Anyways, sorry for going on a tangent, just what I thought when reading this discussion.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by 4ggr0 »

jordan801 wrote: post #44
tootie wrote: post #15

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

Who gets to decide what is a detriment to society? Going out on a limb here, but at one point everyone thought the world was flat. Preaching that the earth is actually round, was seen as a detriment to society. So much so that people got horrifically executed for it. We don't know anything. So sensoring ideas because we don't like them, or they seem farfetched, is probably, a real detriment to society.

Well, that's a REALLY long time ago. 1300 years ago the vast majority of people believed that the world was round. The flat-earth theory is strangely enough a relatively modern theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

EDIT: Sorry, only just now saw that another commenter already posted the same link.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by dogma1138 »

sp332 wrote: post #107
np_tedious wrote: post #102

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change-treatment-for-kids-o... And this is from 2012. I'm frankly not sure how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, you could argue it's better to transition before puberty solidifies the undesired sexual characteristics. On the other, certainly some of these kids would end up feeling OK fine with where nature brings them after puberty passes. It's a tough issue and I respect bot…

I think the terms used in the article are confusing. The clarification is about halfway through: The drugs used by the clinics are approved for delaying puberty in kids who start maturing too soon. The drugs' effects are reversible, and Spack said they've caused no complications in his patients. The idea is to give these children time to mature emotionally and make sure they want to proceed with a permanent sex chang…

That’s the thing puberty blockers aren’t exactly reversible when used for any substantial duration and quite often cause developmental issues in general, these aren’t cases of premature puberty you can’t just pause it for a few years and expect things to go back.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by 4ggr0 »

asquabventured wrote: post #19
dragonwriter wrote: post #9

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> Identity politics will destroy our country The idea of “our country” is , fundamentally, an expression of identity politics. Your disagreement is with other’s choice of primary identity, not with “identity politics” generally.

Wrong my issue is with the recent liberal trend that a humans race, creed, sexual orientation, religious preference, outward appearance, etc are an individuals defining characteristic. And if you don't conform to the bucket they want to place you based on that identity they have created for you that you will be cancelled. It's extremely polarizing and destabilizing to society.

These things are literally things which define you as a person, though. Of course there's more, but what makes you think that these things don't define a person?

I also don't get the "You have to fit in a bucket" theory. What's an example you've experienced?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by latch »

ufmace wrote: post #135
tootie wrote: post #15

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

> hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged Did you actually listen to that episode? I did, and he explicitly said that he no longer believes that. It's rather ironic that you are arguing that we should respect facts in the same post.

Alex Jones was on JRE on Feb 27, 2019, which appears to have been at the height of the litigation against him (1).

I'll take your word that's what he said (so in that sense, you're right, it's a "fact"), but if you're giving him the benefit of the doubt...well, what could anyone say?

He's been held in contempt of court, de-platformed, has a DWI and, more damning, has made similar inflammatory claims since.

(1) - I just googled, apologies if I got the dates wrong.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by me_me_me »

hnzix wrote: post #175
tmpz22 wrote: post #162

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Just curious, what are some constructive criticisms or areas of improvement that could make the Joe Roegan podcast better? Also how long have you been listening to his show?

I've been listening since close to the start. I much prefer the episodes around science, music and nutrition but this is HN after all. My biggest criticism is the new format of recording multiple episodes per day. I totally understand the logistics, but I find Rogan gets tired and interacts less with the guest and the episode falls flat. The best part of JRE is Rogan's engaged curiosity. I'd rather have one high qual…

> I've been listening since close to the start. I much prefer the episodes around science, music and nutrition but this is HN after all.

Same here, the casual comedian/friend guest are usually cookie cutter episodes with small rants about their current lives (AND obligatory 15 min segment on how crazyup Comanche were and how badly they are mis-treated now - Empire of the Summer Moon - :) ).

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