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Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

Is Spotify a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech?

On the matter of free speech, Spotify isn't a public square. Facebook isn't a public square. A masonic fraternity isn't a public square. One of the key things about public squares is that it's funded by public money and administered by public officials.

How are people so keen on asking private companies to behave like public institutions... without asking for the other critically healthy pillars of public funding and public administration? It's sad, but I think it's because in some ways, people have come to actually TRUST big corps to be more morally responsive and deliberative than their own government. As in, would you rather Facebook own your messages, or would you like to see what concept of digital town square the UK or the US government would produce?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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post #18

I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up in arms about. Just a quick look through the recommended podcasts in the web player, and I see Ben Shapiro's podcast on there, who has much more extreme views on LGBT rights than Joe Rogan does.

Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.

Right, I personally don't find it extreme, but the Spotify employees seem to, even though there are already podcasts hosted by people who think LGBT people shouldn't be allowed to get married.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is that he signed a contract that says he doesn’t have to self-censor. The issue is going to be blowback within Spotify towards the management team that signed the deal.

I agree. He has a big enough following that he can launch his OWN platform to counteract censorship.

He is currently essentially has that he is on every platform, and he isn’t monetized on the likes if YouTube he does his own silly ads.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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post #15

Identity politics will destroy our country. Whatever happened to freedom of thought? Shameful

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

Who gets to decide what is a detriment to society?

Going out on a limb here, but at one point everyone thought the world was flat. Preaching that the earth is actually round, was seen as a detriment to society. So much so that people got horrifically executed for it.

We don't know anything. So sensoring ideas because we don't like them, or they seem farfetched, is probably, a real detriment to society.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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This is rather funny, because all the incentives are backwards. Joe Rogan used to be available on rss, and anyone could listen in any podcast player.

Now Spotify bought him out, limiting his reach and making him only available on spotify. If the employees succeed, Rogan will revert to rss and become....more widely available.

I am deeply opposed to Spotify’s efforts to close off the podcast ecosystem, so I hope the employees succeed.

This does highlight a change in what Spotify is trying to do. They’re attempting to become a podcast publisher, rather than an app with podcasts available. With music they’re merely a conduit for the most part.

(Not sure if Rogan has left rss yet, but this wouldn’t change the argument. He’s due to if he hasn’t)

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech Does Spotify market itself as those things?

They signed an exclusive deal with Joe Rogan. I don't know if they intended to send that signal, but it made me check them out for exactly that reason.

Spotify has already made the decision to exclude multiple Joe Rogan episodes from their catalog, this is just a decision of where they draw their line.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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post #12

Also noticeable - business insider’s reporting on his recent episode with Tim Kennedy is a total misrepresentation. Edit: The vice piece also misrepresents him. Edit: I’d go further than ‘misrepresent’ - they lied about what he said.

Want to explain, for those of us not keeping track?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

Is Spotify a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech? On the matter of free speech, Spotify isn't a public square. Facebook isn't a public square. A masonic fraternity isn't a public square. One of the key things about public squares is that it's funded by public money and administered by public officials. How are people so keen on asking private companies to behave like public institutions... without ask…

> Is Spotify a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech?

Spotify wants to corner the market on popular podcasts. Of it’s very nature — anyone with anything or nothing to say can start one - podcasting might be the best modern example of free speech, and I believe podcasters know this. If they see Spotify as an entity that will require editorial modification or will refuse to post “certain episodes” then podcasters won’t make deals with them. This isn’t a political point, it’s a business point. If Spotify can’t achieve their goal of being THE SOURCE for the best podcasts which are exclusive to their platform then their shareholders will demand changes.

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