>> The word Viking comes from the Scandinavian term ‘vikingr’ meaning ‘pirate’
There are a number of theories concerning the origin of the name. This one is by no means top of the list.
DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
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Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#72it's an adjective. I go Viking I am not a Viking
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#73I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social i…
I'm not an expert in history, but it doesn't take much reading to understand that our current national, ethnic, and racial identities are all much more recent than popularly believed, and will likely be in flux again in the future of human history. I do not think that is "2+2 = 5" thinking, that seems to just be what happens over time. I had a few head-scratching moments of realization of this when I was into learnin…
"2+2 = 5" referred to approximations and group theory, it was super interesting branch of math when I was at college, years ago.
It got politicized this summer and the dude trolled outrage conservatives a bit after they made it political, but the fact is, he clearly knew more math then them.
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#74I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social i…
"2+2 = 5" referred to approximations and group theory which were standard (and practically useful) math for over hundred years.
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Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#75I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social i…
The original English neoliths were dark skinned. You don't have any evidence to support your narrative that everything was white and not diverse. The genetic and archeological evidence (such as finding metal or objects from South Europe in North Europe) is showing that people travelled widely in historic times. I don't understand why this is so controversial to right wingers?
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Concepts taken as the basis of a world view not existing at all tends to throw people off as they cannot shake the later ideas of fixed hard boarders and citizenship by blood. To their worldview there should be a fundamental traceable line to back before these distinct entities existed. It is the us vs them line to many. Their ideas of ethnicity are fundamentally lies which while old aren't as old as they claim to be…
If people freak out that the Vikings weren't pure-bred Scandinavians, wait until they learn about the identical ancestor point [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identical_ancestors_point
People from the Nordics had trade relations with Southern Europe and Asia all the way back in the bronze age. Alas, records are vague at best, but there's definitely reason to believe there was an influx of people and ideas from the Black Sea area before and during the migration period, just a few hundred years before the viking raids and Norse settlements all over Europe.
And as if that wasn't enough, the Norse were quite infamous for taking captured women as wives and they also took slaves from the peoples they raided. Those people didn't just dissapear from the gene record.
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#77I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social i…
Please don't go on generic ideological flamewar tangents here. It leads to predictable, tedious, and usually nasty threads.
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24508308.
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Russian Vikings (i.e. the Vikings who in the 9th century founded the original Russian state - Kievan Rus and accompanying dukedoms around - and ruled it for several centuries after that) were raiding as far as Caspian Sea and Iran and bringing the trophies - goods and slaves - for sale back as far as Scandinavia. So there were a lot of cross-continental blood/DNA mixing during those centuries (9th-12th) until Mon…
Some years ago I watched an interesting documentary on how a bunch of viking swords that all bear the same distinctive engraving were very likely made of steel from Persia. The doc claimed that they were likely using a route along the Volga to get down to the Caspian routinely.
Related https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Fadlan
"Ibn Fadlan was a 10th-century Arab[1][2][a] Muslim traveler, famous for his account of his travels as a member of an embassy of the Abbasid Caliph of Baghdad to the king of the Volga Bulgars, known as his Risala ("account" or "journal").[b] His account is most notable for providing a detailed description of the Volga Vikings, including eyewitness accounts of life as part of a trade caravan and witnessing a ship burial.[4][5]"
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_expeditions_of_the_Rus...
"Initially, the Rus' appeared in Serkland in the 9th century traveling as merchants along the Volga trade route, selling furs, honey, and slaves. The first small-scale raids took place in the late 9th and early 10th century. The Rus' undertook the first large-scale expedition in 913; having arrived on 500 ships, they pillaged in the Gorgan region, in the territory of present-day Iran, and more to the west, in Gilan and Mazandaran, taking slaves and goods. On their return, the northern raiders were attacked and defeated by the Khazars in the Volga Delta, and those who escaped were killed by the local tribes on the middle Volga.
During their next expedition in 943, the Rus' captured Bardha'a, the capital of Arran, in the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan. The Rus' stayed there for several months, killing many inhabitants of the city and amassing substantial plunder. It was only an outbreak of dysentery among the Rus' that forced them to depart with their spoils. Sviatoslav, prince of Kiev, commanded the next attack, which destroyed the Khazar state in 965. Sviatoslav's campaign established the Rus's hold on the north-south trade routes, helping to alter the demographics of the region. Raids continued through the time period with the last Scandinavian attempt to reestablish the route to the Caspian Sea taking place in 1041 by Ingvar the Far-Travelled. "
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#80The brought back a lot of DNA diversity from their tours abroad. That result is to be expected.
Yeah, that would be totally expected but the paper isn't even saying that. It's specifically about someone buried as a viking in a settlement in Scotland being non-Scandinavian.
The paper examines DNA from several different sites - a viking settlement in Scotland, a viking raiding party in Estonia and several viking-age burial sites in Scandinavia.