Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

Post by 1270018000 » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 5:22 AM UTC

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Freedom of speech is the right to not be persecuted/sued/shut-down/jailed by the government. Emphasis on government. It's a free market place of ideas, you are allowed to say anything but you are also allowed to suffer the consequences of what you said and be confronted about it by other peers. It's not called "freedom of speech and receive unconditional support and applause". People are free to criticize Rogan, Spot…

False. Neither freedom of speech nor censorship are tied to the concept of a government. They are much more fundamental and basic than that. Additionally large tech platforms control enough of societal discourse that they function as defector public squares. Censorship by tech companies is as effective as censorship by governments.

Post by in_cahoots » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 5:27 AM UTC

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I like Rogan's podcast but he definitely won't talk to anyone - When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? They may quibble over certain things but at the end of the day he wants to have a fun conversation and arguing with trans rights people for 2 or 3 hours isn't going to happen. Also they've already censored his h…

> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

Post by pixxel » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 5:35 AM UTC

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> When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? Rogan's schtick is that he lets his guests explain their ideology without directly attacking it. Instead he has an assistant fact-check any claims they make, and Rogan is also very forthright about calling them out on logical inconsistencies - "you said x just before, now…

Does the assistant apply the same rigor to Rogan’s claims?

Post by greencabs » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 5:46 AM UTC

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In the 90s some politicians tried to ban gangsta rap, and there was an official policy that "prohibited any homosexual or bisexual person from disclosing their sexual orientation or from speaking about any homosexual relationships, including marriages or other familial attributes, while serving in the United States armed forces". I'm not trying to negate your experience. I'm just adding context about other people's e…

I'm not claiming the past was perfect. Some changes are absolutely positive. Here's my anecdote. I look back at films from the 80s and 90s where free speech was discussed or otherwise a component of the plot. It was unthinkable to censor thoughts, or allow the government to spy and collect data on the citizens. Both of these notions seem to have disappeared.

Post by ALittleLight » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 6:02 AM UTC

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What specifically is middle of the road Joe Rogan saying that is “anti transgender”? Serious question.

"They have this agenda," he said, "and this agenda is very ideologically driven that anyone who even thinks they might be trans should be trans, are trans, and the more trans people the better. The more kids that transition the better." https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a33391944/joe-rogan... but you can probably find other sources, it's a direct quote.