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Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sp332 »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #64
mef79 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify has already made the decision to exclude multiple Joe Rogan episodes from their catalog, this is just a decision of where they draw their line.

This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…

I don't think offense is the issue. People are being fired, denied housing, and murdered for being trans for example. Joe Rogan called being transgender a "social contagion", which is going to cause people who respect and trust him to not want trans people around.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sp332 »

S_A_P wrote: post #80
S_A_P wrote: post #74

Joe is a centrist in leftist clothing. I honestly think this is a good thing. I dont 100% agree with his point of view but we need to figure out how to compromise or just expect a red vs blue civil war. I don’t want this at all. I don’t want to shut down anyone that has a different point of view from me either. Why are we so intent on being right and not compromising??

What specifically is middle of the road Joe Rogan saying that is “anti transgender”? Serious question.

"They have this agenda," he said, "and this agenda is very ideologically driven that anyone who even thinks they might be trans should be trans, are trans, and the more trans people the better. The more kids that transition the better."

https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a33391944/joe-rogan... but you can probably find other sources, it's a direct quote.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by snowwrestler »

dkdk8283 wrote: post #64
mef79 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify has already made the decision to exclude multiple Joe Rogan episodes from their catalog, this is just a decision of where they draw their line.

This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics. We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple. Now you don’t dare say something that could potentially offend someone. I could be fired if I said what I really think about some controversial issues and linked it to my identity. That’s not a world I enjoy livi…

> This is unfortunate and unacceptable. Joe should have a free and censorship free place to discuss topics.

> We have lost our minds: the ability to freely and discuss literally any topic was an American staple.

On Spotify specifically, though? I don’t remember a time in America when I was getting paid to post whatever I felt like saying into a microphone to Spotify.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by dragonwriter »

justwalt wrote: post #24
dragonwriter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Identity politics will destroy our country The idea of “our country” is , fundamentally, an expression of identity politics. Your disagreement is with other’s choice of primary identity, not with “identity politics” generally.

I think we’re playing with words here. That’s really not what that poster meant when they said “identity politics”.

No, really, the only difference is the identity around which it is organized: if the identity is membership in “our country”, the poster supports it, and he opposes the increasing political relevance of alternative primary identities as a threat to the power of his preferred identity.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by LegitShady »

mikece wrote: post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

I don't think there is room to discuss how much censorship you're willing to accept with people trying to censor you. At the end of the day their feelings don't matter - they're just technocrats trying to control the speech of others because they got hired by Spotify.

Joe will talk to people but probably not people trying to destroy his business through their employer who he has a contract with.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by [deleted] »

SllX wrote: post #75
austhrow743 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech Does Spotify market itself as those things?

Maybe they don’t, but they certainly could to broaden their appeal.

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by sp332 »

graeme wrote: post #46

This is rather funny, because all the incentives are backwards. Joe Rogan used to be available on rss, and anyone could listen in any podcast player. Now Spotify bought him out, limiting his reach and making him only available on spotify. If the employees succeed, Rogan will revert to rss and become....more widely available. I am deeply opposed to Spotify’s efforts to close off the podcast ecosystem, so I hope the em…

That doesn't mean Spotify has to help him out. They do promote his show, as well as provide hosting, and manage subscriptions for 181,000 users.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by LegitShady »

lalos wrote: post #69
quotemstr wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One thing is free speech and another is giving a platform to dubious characters for them to promote their views unchallenged Those are literally the same thing. Free speech means ideas compete on their merits in a marketplace of ideas and no central authority gets to decide which ideas are worth considering. You can be against free speech --- many people are these days --- but you don't get to claim to be in favor…

Freedom of speech is the right to not be persecuted/sued/shut-down/jailed by the government. Emphasis on government. It's a free market place of ideas, you are allowed to say anything but you are also allowed to suffer the consequences of what you said and be confronted about it by other peers. It's not called "freedom of speech and receive unconditional support and applause". People are free to criticize Rogan, Spot…

If they're trying to interfere in his contract with their employer it's tortuous interference Maybe they just need to have freedom of speech but not freedom from consequences and it will all work out.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by LegitShady »

lalos wrote: post #39
fourstar wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care what Rogan says? With the way you describe him it’s clear you don’t like him. Don’t pay attention to him, then. The problem is people today who go against the grain are vilified by these bleeding heart outraged critics who have nothing better to do than attempt to cancel people. People are fed up with it.

I like him, I'm supporting his idea of giving anyone the right to express their ideas. Therefore, I'm interested in the people that also have their concerns about his shows and Spotify's business decisions and they must be heard/read, why are you intolerant to other views and want to censor them by suggesting people to turn their heads? That sounds like canceling to me and btw I don't want to cancel anybody.

Interfering with someone else's contracts is tortuous interference. You do t have a right to that no matter who employs you.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by gnusty_gnurc »

alphachloride wrote: post #76

What constitutes transphobic exactly? Is it in the eye of the beholder, like porn: you'll know it when you see it?

It’s fundamentally postmodern: impact matters, not intent.

Meaning: if someone’s triggered and distressed by anything and you trigger them, you’re in the wrong, not them.

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