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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by dragonwriter »

jordan801 wrote: post #44
tootie wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts. Rogan is mostly an opinion guy but he has spread covid disinformation and hosted guests like Alex Jones who say things like Sandy Hook was staged. That's not harmless self-expression. Spotify is under no obligation to host anyone's content and certainly not required to pay $100M for content that is detrimental to society.

Who gets to decide what is a detriment to society? Going out on a limb here, but at one point everyone thought the world was flat. Preaching that the earth is actually round, was seen as a detriment to society. So much so that people got horrifically executed for it. We don't know anything. So sensoring ideas because we don't like them, or they seem farfetched, is probably, a real detriment to society.

> Going out on a limb here, but at one point everyone thought the world was flat.

Maybe. More likely, at one point most people weren't concerned with more than the local topography.

> Preaching that the earth is actually round, was seen as a detriment to society. So much so that people got horrifically executed for it.

I won't say definitively that that never happened, but it certainly isn't something that there is any historical evidence I've ever heard of, and it sounds a lot like flat-earth mythology, possibly conflated with (exaggeration of) the actual heliocentrism controversy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by linuxftw »

lvturner wrote: post #21

Perhaps I am naive, but for me something simple like: "Warning, the following content may offend some listeners and contain factual inaccuracies. The content presented does not represent the views of blah blah" Would help Certainly, I appreciate Facebook's "Sensitive Content" screen, and wish it was used more widely on content.

This warning is implied for all information, all the time.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by troughway »

grapehut wrote: post #48
t_sawyer wrote: post #5

Lol but they’ve got no problem with Spotify hosting Eminem songs since it’s inception? This is ridiculous.

Eminem never said that trans-women shouldn't be allowed to compete in womens-MMA fighting.

Is that what this is about?

Then I guess we can expect the top womans MMA fighters to all be trans.

Well done!

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by [deleted] »

mikece wrote: post #50
threatofrain wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Spotify a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech? On the matter of free speech, Spotify isn't a public square. Facebook isn't a public square. A masonic fraternity isn't a public square. One of the key things about public squares is that it's funded by public money and administered by public officials. How are people so keen on asking private companies to behave like public institutions... without ask…

> Is Spotify a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech? Spotify wants to corner the market on popular podcasts. Of it’s very nature — anyone with anything or nothing to say can start one - podcasting might be the best modern example of free speech, and I believe podcasters know this. If they see Spotify as an entity that will require editorial modification or will refuse to post “certain episodes” then po…

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by MereInterest »

mikece wrote: post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

> As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive.

If you think that somebody is spreading misinformation and is not arguing in good faith, why on earth would you discuss things on a platform where that person controls the editing? That sounds like a recipe for giving somebody the air of legitimacy while having no chance of convincing anybody.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by omosubi »

mikece wrote: post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

I like Rogan's podcast but he definitely won't talk to anyone - When was the last time there was someone on that didn't agree with him on the major issue or issues they were brought on the podcast to discuss? They may quibble over certain things but at the end of the day he wants to have a fun conversation and arguing with trans rights people for 2 or 3 hours isn't going to happen. Also they've already censored his history and as far as I can tell he agreed to it

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by Diesel555 »

grapehut wrote: post #48
t_sawyer wrote: post #5

Lol but they’ve got no problem with Spotify hosting Eminem songs since it’s inception? This is ridiculous.

Eminem never said that trans-women shouldn't be allowed to compete in womens-MMA fighting.

You can't just pick one thing Joe said, that someone else didn't say, and use that as an argument. That's almost always going to be true. What are the chances Eminem would talk about trans woman MMA fighting? I'd argue very very low. The fact Eminem didn't say this obscure quote doesn't discount the OP pointing out a hypocrisy.

I could easily take one of many Eminem quotes (I found a few... but not appropriate to post here) and say "Joe never said that."

I'm not taking a stance on one side or another here for the original post, just pointing out a bad argument.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by mikece »

grapehut wrote: post #48
t_sawyer wrote: post #5

Lol but they’ve got no problem with Spotify hosting Eminem songs since it’s inception? This is ridiculous.

Eminem never said that trans-women shouldn't be allowed to compete in womens-MMA fighting.

And Joe is an expert in the field of MMA. He didn’t just say that trans women should not be allowed to fight in women’s MMA but cited medical science to back his opinion. Outside of women’s MMA Joe is all for trans rights but in the case of women’s MMA it’s his opinion that a trans woman will end up literally killing someone born with XX chromosomes who still identifies as female (I don’t know of a less clumsy way to say that which is weird).

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by quotemstr »

lalos wrote: post #20
mikece wrote: post #4

I’m curious what his contract with them stipulates on these matters. As for the employees, they could contact Rogan and either ask to come on the show to discuss what they find so offensive. Joe will talk to anyone, let them have their say and explain their point of view. Arguing to censor his episode history only sends the message that Spotify isn’t a platform for intellectual curiosity and free speech.

One thing is free speech and another is giving a platform to dubious characters for them to promote their views unchallenged. What's the risk? you might be smart enough to know better but other's will use Rogan's vouching of X personality to validate their view points "well he was invited to Rogan's show so he must be important and must be listened to! have YOU been featured in Rogan's show?". I'll remind you that a…

> One thing is free speech and another is giving a platform to dubious characters for them to promote their views unchallenged

Those are literally the same thing. Free speech means ideas compete on their merits in a marketplace of ideas and no central authority gets to decide which ideas are worth considering. You can be against free speech --- many people are these days --- but you don't get to claim to be in favor of free speech but not this speech or that speech.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Post by amanzi »

dogma1138 wrote: post #33
dx87 wrote: post #18

I guess they're focusing on the JRE podcast because it's so popular, but they already host podcasts that you'd think their "LGBTQAI+/ally" employees would be up in arms about. Just a quick look through the recommended podcasts in the web player, and I see Ben Shapiro's podcast on there, who has much more extreme views on LGBT rights than Joe Rogan does.

Rogan’s views aren’t extreme no sexual reassignment for minors and no XY in female sports isn’t an extreme view.

You're right, and what really grates me is how anyone who raises similar opinions/questions is instantly labelled transphobic and told to shut up. The Motherboard/Vice article that is referenced in the article (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-...) clearly states as fact that Joe Rogan is transphobic, but for anyone willing to listen Rogan's opinions will know that just isn't true.
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