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Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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post #19
post #8

I'm glad Mozilla are focusing more on their core product (Firefox the web browser) instead of trying to compete in overcrowded markets like file transfer (WeTransfer, MEGA, Google Drive, Dropbox, ...) and notes (Notion, Workflowy, Google Drive, Microsoft OneNote, ...).

The announcement doesn't mention the browser but does mention focusing on Firefox VPN, Firefox Monitor and Firefox Private Network.

Yes. Quite an omission. :-/

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#82
post #65

I'm crushed to see Firefox Send go away. It was an amazing tool. In the "This is why we can't have nice things category" it's sad to see yet another encrypted file-sharing service that is inevitably shut down when someone starts abusing it to host malware or child porn.

There is no way around it. Either [insert technology name] works for bad guys and good guys alike, or it does not work for bad guys and good guys alike. You can't make technology follow morals. The moral panic almost inevitably tilts the scales towards [insert technology name] not working for anyone, rather than allowing bad guys use it publicly. So bad guys use it privately, and good guys... well, they can also use…

Like it’s a pseudo-public file storage system. If you’re not going to put up the moderation effort and block the spread of malware, cp, phishing attempts, and spam then the people who would get kicked off of, say Dropbox, will migrate to your service and now you’re the company whose links are inherently sketchy.

It’s not really a moral panic so much as it’s damaging to Mozilla’s reputation.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#83
post #74
post #39

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I'll bet they got gunshy dealing with abuse and illegal uses of the service. A real shame as it's a no-brainer service to have in their software suite, and a great complement to the browser

True but I’m not sure if when I think about the various ways to send a file on my computer that my web browser really comes to mind. Super neat service, makes total sense in Mozilla’s portfolio but I don’t see it as a natural part of the browser.

I feel like that might be true for a technical audience who may be more aware of alternative transfer avenues, but i think for regular users it's a frequent use case during the course of business, online learning, etc. especially with the rise of web apps

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#85
post #38

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And this is why we all should have shouted louder when Google set this precedent five years ago. This is going to become the status quo. If Google can do it why can’t we?

It's absolutely amazing how some people can find new ways to blame Google for something they had nothing to do with. Just Incredible. Additionally, if it had not been for the money given to Mozilla by Google the development of Firefox would have severely been in decline and possibly abandoned. >And this is why we all should have shouted louder when Google set this precedent five years ago. Do you also shout loud when…

Microsoft is the anti-example. They discontinue something and then support it for years. Sometimes way longer than they should.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#86
post #63

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And so if Microsoft. https://pastebin.com/PMQwd8Q0

Most of these are offline software programs that you can continue to use indefinitely, or physical buildings that are very expensive to run.

Nokia has to be the biggest one.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#87
Another disappointment from Mozilla. Some of the tools that were kinda of unique from a browser and company that values privacy. I actually thought one of the strategies from Mozilla was to actually build an ecosystem around the browser to bring new users and to have something unique to fight chrome. It seems they have lost completely all focus have no strategy after killing the Servo and Rust Team. What is next killing the Gecko Team and use Blink ?

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#88
post #62

That's progress. I just want the browser, not a "cloud service". Now to lose "Pocket" and bring back a bookmarks toolbar that lets you find things locally.

The recent Firefox Android change ("upgrade") added "bookmark collections" whatever those are, so hopefully some work is being done on that front?

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#89
I used Firefox Send for deliverables on a commission. It was so easy. I could send updated versions and set a date for the download to expire to make sure both sides were on the current version. That was worth money. They could have charged for it.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#90
If you want a minimal setup that does similar job with all encryption done in browser and absolute no plaintext, password send back to server, i just wrote https://www.relaysecret.com earlier this week. It is opensource, with minimal footprint on aws (1lambda, 1 gateway, 1 s3), deploy using terraform and should be very cheap to run. It's a pet project so i limit the filesize to 30mb but you can change that easily if you roll your own. :)
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