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Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

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Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#51
post #15

You can always send files using the WebTorrent protocol, over at https://instant.io No file size limit.

encrypted and private?

Sort of; the underlying WebRTC protocol WebTorrent uses encrypts the data in transit, and the data never hits the server.

Downside is that the sender, or someone else who has completed the torrent download, must keep the page (or their WebTorrent client) running for the share link to work.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#52
post #45

Yea, for easy github forking! :) Firefox Send was such a great and simple tool for sharing those >10MB (anything that won't fit in an email) files with literally anyone. Now that we'll be maintaining our own fork ( https://github.com/plyint/send ), if anyone has any thoughts on features or fixes you'd like added I'd love to hear from you. Just send us a message from our website ( https://plyint.com ), open a github i…

The value of firefox send for me was that 1) it was hosted 2) it was free 3) I trusted mozilla

As a developer, I am already aware of similar open-source packages like magic-wormhole. The code/tools themselves don't solve the problem, though. I had my non-techincal mom exchange sensitive documents through Send but I'm never going to get her to use magic wormhole, and self-hosting is too much hassle for one-off documents.

I'm aware of dropbox etc but if my both me and my mom don't already use them, there's friction to create an account and pay.

I'm not sure whether there's a business model for a standalone hosted version if Mozilla themselves couldn't make it work (and I presume they gave it thorough thought)

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#53

Hm, been spending a while creating a 'Firefox Send' copy, attempting to host files. Check out a new verison at: - https://v2.femto.pw/ Looking for some help if anyone can, :) - https://github.com/femto-apps/web-file-uploader The old copy ( https://femto.pw/ ) has been used over 100 million times and sent over 13PB of data!

This is really cool and will probably fill the void that Firefox Send left for me.

Out of curiosity, how do you deal with all that bandwidth? Are you self-hosted?

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#54
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implicit problem is you have to know the download is sketchy in order to report abuse. For your average consumer, that will be after they downloaded it. Having a consumer download a sketchy file from what should be a trusted service (it's firefox! they're the good guys!) is not good for your company image, either. And unfortunately, charging for a service is no guarantee that these issues will go away. I have see…

> Having a consumer download a sketchy file from what should be a trusted service (it's firefox! they're the good guys!) is not good for your company image, either. I just don't understand this kind of logic. I can send mail bombs with the trusted postal service and people will open them. Does anyone blame the postal service?

usps does scan packages though...

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#55
post #53

Hm, been spending a while creating a 'Firefox Send' copy, attempting to host files. Check out a new verison at: - https://v2.femto.pw/ Looking for some help if anyone can, :) - https://github.com/femto-apps/web-file-uploader The old copy ( https://femto.pw/ ) has been used over 100 million times and sent over 13PB of data!

This is really cool and will probably fill the void that Firefox Send left for me. Out of curiosity, how do you deal with all that bandwidth? Are you self-hosted?

We are self-hosted, I'd _hate_ to think of the costs of hosting this service through AWS or similar who charges for ingress / egress.

We have 5gbps of bandwidth and 12TB of storage that I've dedicated to the service (costing me ~£30/mo, so a fairly trivial sum).

I'm hoping that if we ever exceed 12TB / 5gbps, others will similarly host their own versions of the application. I've heard of half a dozen people already who have just decided to host their own.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#56
post #38

Calling a service that launched only 17 months ago "legacy functionality" is troubling. Why should I engage with any new Mozilla product or service if they're going to cut it off at the knees after a year?

And this is why we all should have shouted louder when Google set this precedent five years ago. This is going to become the status quo. If Google can do it why can’t we?

It's absolutely amazing how some people can find new ways to blame Google for something they had nothing to do with. Just Incredible. Additionally, if it had not been for the money given to Mozilla by Google the development of Firefox would have severely been in decline and possibly abandoned.

>And this is why we all should have shouted louder when Google set this precedent five years ago.

Do you also shout loud when Microsoft set a precedent for shutting down products and services? Of course you don't. You just confine your rage to Google. Let's have a look at all of the products and services Microsoft has cancelled:

https://pastebin.com/PMQwd8Q0

Let that sink in next time you do a drive by on a Google related topic and post one of those lame "I wonder when it will be cancelled" worthless posts.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#58
post #35

Why couldn’t they make send work and make money while https://wetransfer.com/ is flourishing?

Because all those side projects are not made to make Firefox, or Mozilla foundation better, but to have nice greenfield projects that allow to boost CV and find a job elsewhere. All those side projects is the reason while Firefox is dying. They completely ignored their core product: they made a worse copy of Chrome that killed all extensions.

But old Firefox extension model (when an extension could patch any part of browser's code) did not guarantee that the extension would stay compatible forever. It was more quick and dirty hack rather than a proper standartised extension model.

Re: Update on Firefox Send and Firefox Notes

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this question is why i haven't engaged with any new Mozilla product in years. They just KEEP making cool things that you want to integrate into your workflows and then killing them.

Are you using Chrome? If so https://killedbygoogle.com/ . Google is guilty of the same.

And so if Microsoft. https://pastebin.com/PMQwd8Q0
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