The introduction makes it sound super controversial but the mentioned results sound like exactly what you’d expect. Obviously ancient Scandinavia would have had gene flows from Eurasia, and obviously Viking settlements in the British isles would have non-Scandinavians amongst them...
DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
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#22I am surprised that they are surprised... it's cool to have more data tho.
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#23There's a great documentary on this topic called "The Thirteenth Warrior"
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#24I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social i…
What's so hard to believe about a largely "black" (with blue eyes) population being displaced/integrated with by subsequent migrations? That scenario is supported by the myths of those islands and human migrations are the story of humanity and human cultural developments.
If you want to argue with the science or point out deficiencies you're encouraged to. That's the beauty of science.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Concepts taken as the basis of a world view not existing at all tends to throw people off as they cannot shake the later ideas of fixed hard boarders and citizenship by blood. To their worldview there should be a fundamental traceable line to back before these distinct entities existed. It is the us vs them line to many. Their ideas of ethnicity are fundamentally lies which while old aren't as old as they claim to be…
> Their ideas of ethnicity are fundamentally lies Looks real to me: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Principal_compon... Or are you thinking of some ridiculous weakman* version of ethnicity where no ancestors can be shared ever? * https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/05/12/weak-men-are-superweap...
Using a PCA to prove an intrinsic point about ethnicity is as laughable as it gets. You're aware the vectors in a PCA are just linear combinations of the observed features, right? You're just staring at the same data a different way.
But of course I didn't expect any less from someone who quotes Slate Star Codex of all sources to prove a point.
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#26I thought this was obvious because of the Kiyv Rus
If you're thinking of the Ukraine/Russian Origin story of Kyivan Rus, do you think Scandinavians settled in the Russia/Ukraine area? There's evidence there was trade between the various empires.
I don't think that's addressing the "DNA of the Vikings" (whoever the Vikings may have been)
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#27The brought back a lot of DNA diversity from their tours abroad. That result is to be expected.
Yeah, that would be totally expected but the paper isn't even saying that. It's specifically about someone buried as a viking in a settlement in Scotland being non-Scandinavian.
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#28I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social i…
What's so hard to believe about a largely "black" (with blue eyes) population being displaced/integrated with by subsequent migrations? That scenario is supported by the myths of those islands and human migrations are the story of humanity and human cultural developments. If you want to argue with the science or point out deficiencies you're encouraged to. That's the beauty of science.
Dark-skinned people in non-fishing populations in the British Isles would have had seriously weakened immune systems from vitamin D deficiency. The theory is implausible on its face.
Edit: apparently the theory is about paleolithic people (who did a lot of fishing) in Britain being dark-skinned, which is certainly believable.
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#29I already lost my faith in the cultural "western" elites. I hate to sound like a hardcore conservative (I am pretty leftist) but I dont see there is coming back from the current environment. 2+2 = 5, original English people were actually black, more diversity has been proved to generate better stock performance of the company.From the flimsiest of evidence a whole new narrative is created, one that match the social i…
What's so hard to believe about a largely "black" (with blue eyes) population being displaced/integrated with by subsequent migrations? That scenario is supported by the myths of those islands and human migrations are the story of humanity and human cultural developments. If you want to argue with the science or point out deficiencies you're encouraged to. That's the beauty of science.
It's not that it's hard to believe, it's just that it's not supported by the science.
Geneticists simply said that they had the genes for blue eyes while the European genes associated with fair skin were not present. What wasn't said was that they were black – that was something the media simply made up because it fit with their agenda. It seems fair to assume they were darker than modern Northern Europeans, but similarly it seems quite a stretch to assume that they were as dark as African peoples.
Re: DNA sequencing of Viking skeletons reveals they weren’t all Scandinavian
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's so hard to believe about a largely "black" (with blue eyes) population being displaced/integrated with by subsequent migrations? That scenario is supported by the myths of those islands and human migrations are the story of humanity and human cultural developments. If you want to argue with the science or point out deficiencies you're encouraged to. That's the beauty of science.
Dark-skinned people in non-fishing populations in the British Isles would have had seriously weakened immune systems from vitamin D deficiency. The theory is implausible on its face. Edit: apparently the theory is about paleolithic people (who did a lot of fishing) in Britain being dark-skinned, which is certainly believable.
Fish has lots of Vitamin D in it.