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It only became apparent to me yesterday on another forum how much central Europeans, especially Germans, seem to quite dislike von der Leyen!
She only became president because Merkel forced the issue. I think Frans Timmermans (an excellent option!) had a chance to win it before that, as well as Vestager (the antitrust champion in the previous EC). They gave Vestager the VP job to pacify her and her allies. Also, somehow, Vera Jourova, which has been absolutely terrible in her job in the previous EC, especially with the terrible Privacy Shield she negotiate…
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Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
With von der Leyen being president, I am pretty sure we make the wrong decision. Yes, some Europeans might think she looks sympathetic, especially those that don't know her well because of language barriers. That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union. Officially she is in a conservative party, which eastern European countries liked very much. If we want to take democracy serio…
"That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union." ??? That she has her position is the most glaring evidence of 'democratic dysfunction'. Nobody voted for her, she was unknown before the election. The very few people that voted in the EU elected voted for something else, after the election 'the true powers' decided to push the ostensible candidate aside, and behind closed doors wi…
I mean, how many regular people voted for Boris Johnson as PM, for example. The answer is exactly 0.
That's just how parliamentary democracy works.
Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
With von der Leyen being president, I am pretty sure we make the wrong decision. Yes, some Europeans might think she looks sympathetic, especially those that don't know her well because of language barriers. That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union. Officially she is in a conservative party, which eastern European countries liked very much. If we want to take democracy serio…
Conservative doesn't really mean much anymore on its own. CDU might be considered conservative by Western European standards, but it's liberal by Eastern European standards.
Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
"That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union." ??? That she has her position is the most glaring evidence of 'democratic dysfunction'. Nobody voted for her, she was unknown before the election. The very few people that voted in the EU elected voted for something else, after the election 'the true powers' decided to push the ostensible candidate aside, and behind closed doors wi…
The thing about the EU is, it's not a democratic government. It's atreaty organization that sometimes takes on responsibilities like a government. This dual identity has been a boon in some political situations in the past, but it is also a serious liability. Von der Leyen got the job in a usual way for a treaty organization, but she is much more political than some technocrat. There are factions that like it each wa…
what? This opinion seems to be highly uninformed about how the EU and it's actual bodies work. i can vote for EU elections and representatives in the european parlement. Also the european commision and the council consist of either parties elected in the national elections, or national leaders themselves. Also, the european parlement uses quantitative representation, which means smaller nations have a larger say compared to larger ones.
>This dual identity has been a boon in some political situations in the past, but it is also a serious liability. Von der Leyen got the job in a usual way for a treaty organization, but she is much more political than some technocrat. There are factions that like it each way, and her job is to play both ends against the middle.
What dual identity? The european community has had a parlement since the 70's, and the european project has been a political union since it's very beginning in the 50's. You seem to assume that van der leyen has vast political power on her own, but the EU is far to decentralized for that. The EU is is a complex political system because it is highly decentralised. (which in terms is happening because all it's members are sovereign).
>You don't need a democratic mandate to appoint the head of a civil service. You definitely do when choosing the leader of the (de facto) government!
This democratic process exists, as explained above. not having direct representation is not the issue here. The way of elections in the EU is roughly the same as what happens in most if not all EU member states. (with the exception of mainly the UK).
Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII
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"In Germany she's well known for nepotism" As a German this is not "well known" to me, do you have a source? Until now I thought one Accenture manager was the godfather of a child of a deparment manager in the ministry of defence and Accenture got an consulting gig? I didn't know until now she was giving jobs to her relatives.
One of her kids works for one of the big consulting companies she loved to hire. But more importantly, the people working for her on the government side were often super close to the consultants they hired. As the minister, she takes responsibility for what is going on in her ministry - and that was full of friends giving contracts to friends.
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#177If this was the US, HN would be all over this. Instead, it is rationalizing it. Interesting.
1. Most people in the thread seem against this. 2. Maybe it was more true when you posted 2 hours ago, but that is exactly why comments like this one are not helpful.
I'm not American, but the Americanophobia present here and the schadenfreude towards bad things happening in the US is quite the subject for a study.
Regarding your statement that this comment is not useful: perhaps. I've been observing this trend and it's been interesting to write notes and have the groundwork for something more concrete. Then, it will probably be more helpful.
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>At least we're not the only country wanting to violate international agreements at present Countries do it all the time and there are conflicts because it all the time everywhere. UK is slightly different because EU is much stronger than UK, withdrawal agreement is important to keep food, medicine and skills flowing between borders. UK government is planning and making first successful steps towards breaking withdra…
The EU probably will lose the same in absolute terms, but it will be spread over 400 million people not 60 million. So in terms of rational policy making the EU should want a deal as much as the UK, but of course in practice if the impact is less diffuse it’s just less politically important.
During the endless Brexit debates in the UK prior to the referendum itself, IIRC the more credible analysis tended to have the EU27 combined losing more than the UK in absolute economic terms, maybe even twice as much, in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
The argument was made that the EU could afford to take that bigger hit anyway and was still in the stronger position in negotiations, because as you say even a somewhat greater cost would be distributed over many more people.
Then the counter-argument was that the distribution of any costs to the EU would be far from uniform. For example, one member state in the EU27 was all but guaranteed a catastrophic outcome if there is a no-deal Brexit: Ireland. This is part of the reason the NI border issue was such a sensitive topic during the negotiations. But more generally, some member states are much more dependent on the UK than others, or more dependent than others in some specific area(s). Another common examples is that the Mediterranean tourism destinations get a huge amount of revenue from the Brits each summer (under normal circumstances at least, maybe not so much this year) and in certain cases this represents a significant fraction of their entire national economy.
The EU and the Europhile leaders that most of the larger member states have had in recent times have been very good at showing a united front when it comes to Brexit, but as we've seen with other issues like the immigration/refugee situation and the pandemic, that solidarity can rapidly give way to realpolitik when times get tough. A lot of the EU27 member states are going to take a hit if we leave the transition period with no deal at the end of the year, and I wonder how well their faith in and support of the EU will hold up once real money and real jobs start being lost on both sides of the Channel.
At this point, I do not expect there to be a deal, at least not a comprehensive one that is useful for the long term, by the end of this year. It won't surprise me at all if the cracks start appearing on the EU side soon afterwards, though whether they will spread as quickly and as deeply as those likely to form concurrently in the UK is anyone's guess. It also won't surprise me at all if some important issues that are, in theory at least, EU competences start to get dealt with more directly by national governments looking to protect their own interests. Time will tell.
Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
"That she is on the position is testament to the democratic dysfunction of the Union." ??? That she has her position is the most glaring evidence of 'democratic dysfunction'. Nobody voted for her, she was unknown before the election. The very few people that voted in the EU elected voted for something else, after the election 'the true powers' decided to push the ostensible candidate aside, and behind closed doors wi…
Nonsense. Von der leyen was proposed by the council, consisting of representatives from every country, and by extension representative for the voters in every country. She was then confirmed by a majority of the EU parliament, which is directly elected by the citizens. Every EU citizen voted in those elections, or had the opportunity to. So, if only a “very few” voted that is on them. If their elected representatives…
That almost nobody voted in the election, that nobody knew who the leader - or the platform - was going to be, and that she was absolutely chosen after the fact, by unelected leaders, that she cannot be sanctioned or replaced, and that elected MEPs cannot propose legislation - is fundamental to the nature of democracy.
Even in proper democracies, particularly in Parliamentary systems, even the budget requires approval without which the government falls and elections are called. Why? Because the proposition of budgets necessitate popular sanction. Parliament - and even legislative assemblies can dissolve government if necessary.
Ursula von der Leyen has unambiguously the least democratic legitimacy of any leader in the free world, by far.
The fact that the EU was purposefully designed this way - in the very face of very healthy democratic institutions i.e. Switzerland, UK, Germany - implies the lack of democracy was very much 'by design'.
It's an existential issue.
Re: Germany will violate international agreements with Unitary Patent, says FFII
#180As someone that has invented novel algorithms I still feel Patents are a net negative especially for software. I just wish EU would be a better place for „startup“ innovation. My experience with the university infrastructure in that area isn’t great:
The EU is not a great place for innovation, period. Here are the major problems: 1. No common language 2. Incredibly high taxes, particularly sales taxes 3. Unfinished transition out of Communism in many Eastern Countries 4. Preference for cheap illegal labor instead of automation This could be solved by: 1. Formalising an 'EU English' language so that schools teaching it can open up around the continent and families…