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Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by DecoPerson »

danparsonson wrote: post #58
FlyingSideKick wrote: post #7

I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e8bUyC55cc

Woah woah woah you can’t just offer ketamine to people! Think of the children!

Edit: This comment is intended to contribute to the discussion as well as be in jest. It’s a legitimate issue: if music can have drug-like effects, should some music be classed as a drug and controlled as such?

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

sk5t wrote: post #11
blkhp19 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be great if you could link to a recording that you think could induce this state, given that you’re an expert in this field! If I’m left to search on my own I’m not sure I’ll find the correct recording.

+1 and why must it be an "old recording" - have modern Haitian voodoo drummers lost the way? Seems a bit set-up for shifting goalposts...

if you have perfection in a product, the only evolution possible is for it to become less perfect.

People being people the best are not content with always doing the same thing, so they will experiment and move away, following other influences. The drumming may become great in other ways but not great in the way of inducing trance states the way it once way.

Just my theory on why it might be that an old recording is better for inducing trance than a newer one might be.

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by danparsonson »

DecoPerson wrote: post #61
danparsonson wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e8bUyC55cc

Woah woah woah you can’t just offer ketamine to people! Think of the children! Edit: This comment is intended to contribute to the discussion as well as be in jest. It’s a legitimate issue: if music can have drug-like effects, should some music be classed as a drug and controlled as such?

Go on, try it... first one's free

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by ganzuul »

DecoPerson wrote: post #61
danparsonson wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e8bUyC55cc

Woah woah woah you can’t just offer ketamine to people! Think of the children! Edit: This comment is intended to contribute to the discussion as well as be in jest. It’s a legitimate issue: if music can have drug-like effects, should some music be classed as a drug and controlled as such?

If you are looking to compare music to drugs you are operating in a space where you need also need to consider if drugs are treated like they should be. You probably should not treat music as drugs are treated because our treatment of drugs is wrong.

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Post by Cro_on »

malux85 wrote: post #37
ChuckMcM wrote: post #8

This would be a workable explanation for being able to "soul travel" while meditating. When I did the whole Trancendental Meditation thing back in the late 70's it was all about clearing your mind of everything except a repeating mantra. EEG's of people meditating show rhythmic brain activity typical of sleeping. If that is the case (and I'm not saying it is, just noting the potential path here) then it would suggest…

I’m curious why you stopped doing Transcendental Meditation? And do you do any other alternative / mind altering processes now? As someone very interested in Transcendental Meditation but unsure where to begin, any pointers?

AFAICT it is a mantra based meditation. All you have to do is hand over all your money to a guru and they will give you some arbitrary mantra with which you meditate with, repeating the single phrase under your breath. IANATMG but I think the mantra should have little personal value; it is used as an exercise, presumably to do with the breath, rather than a personal philosophy type mantra.

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by dymax78 »

I'm an avid listener of the ambient/noise/experimental genres and have experienced a "trace-like" state on a few occasions; I've always attributed this to the repetitive characteristic(s) of the song in question.

examples that come to mind:

Zoviet France - Cycloptic Sub Alien: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVz2qCvjPDg

Zoviet France - Mohnomishe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsBD-pUO4GI

Laraaji - The Dance #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hes0hRY9v8

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

FlyingSideKick wrote: post #7

I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

This has turned into a music recommendation thread, apparently.

From a different side of the world, Wardruna has a few 'trancey' tracks; here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67VZblDrQg

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by pantalaimon »

sk5t wrote: post #11
blkhp19 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be great if you could link to a recording that you think could induce this state, given that you’re an expert in this field! If I’m left to search on my own I’m not sure I’ll find the correct recording.

+1 and why must it be an "old recording" - have modern Haitian voodoo drummers lost the way? Seems a bit set-up for shifting goalposts...

Probably new regulations.

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by MDib »

nullsense wrote: post #60
Trasmatta wrote: post #22

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That brings me back. I played around with Hemi-Sync stuff back in 2007 during my freshman year of college. I never got much out of it, and determined it was bullshit. 13 years later, I'm probably somewhat more open to the idea, after spending a decent amount of time meditating and experimenting with a few psychedelics. (Not in a mystical sense, just in a "maybe sound can help induce certain altered states of consciou…

I had some pretty interesting experiences with i-doser around that time. A lot were fairly humdrum but there was this one time that was incredibly intense and it made me feel as if I had died. I was afraid of ever doing that one again. It left a lasting impression on me that entrainment definitely is a thing. I must revisit that and have another go.

Might be fun for you to check out what https://www.brain.fm/science is doing, which takes an alternative approach focusing on generating rhythm and tone tracks that, for lack of a more detailed term 'lull' your brain into focused or relaxed states. I get a lot of mileage out of it when working, don't often use it for relaxation because I find simple nature tracks better for doing standing meditation.

Re: Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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Post by sbierwagen »

blkhp19 wrote: post #9
FlyingSideKick wrote: post #7

I’ve studied Afro-Cuban percussion for 28 years now and I can tell you from experience there are some bata rhythms that definitely make the listener enter into a heavy trance state. Haitian vodun drumming is especially designed for generating trance and out of body experiences in its entirety. If you can find an old recording of Haitian voodoo drums give it a listen using good headphones with your eyes closed, and af…

It would be great if you could link to a recording that you think could induce this state, given that you’re an expert in this field! If I’m left to search on my own I’m not sure I’ll find the correct recording.

If we're talking drum-based drone ambient, there's Man Forever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1b6chDYxK4
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