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Post by antipaul »

tzs wrote: post #211
filleokus wrote: post #11

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I just swipe down for Spotlight and use that as an app launcher, so I'll probably love the app drawer. I'm equally baffled by people doing it any other way :-) Do you organise your applications on your computer by category as well?

You can also do it by voice. Tell Siri to "open AppName" and it opens the app named AppName. It does have trouble with some apps, though. Authy does not work at all when pronounced the way I expect it to be pronounced ("auth" as in "authorize"). Siri just says that there is no app named "Offie". And no, I do not pronounce "th" anything at all like "ff". If I try pronouncing Authy as "oathy" is works maybe 1/4 to 1/3…

Did you try training Siri? (Enable siri text) and then tap it when it says this app not found, and change "offy" to "Authie". After a few times, it should recognize your prompt

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by Jaxkr »

t0mbstone wrote: post #57

I'm not touching that update with a 10 foot pole. Not until it's been live for at least a week, and developers have had a chance to actually update their apps for it! Honestly, that's just good policy on all Apple updates lately. It seems that more and more of them have been plagued with issues and are trailed by hotfixes. I've learned to just wait a while. Other people can be the test guinea pigs!

Same. iOS 13 was a mess at launch and I’m gonna wait for at least a minor bug fix patch.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by wayneftw »

threeseed wrote: post #263
wayneftw wrote: post #191

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Actually, you misunderstood the response. They said "In short, my UX on iOS is better without them (web notifications) even being possible". How could they know when Apple never implemented it? The fact that apps had unregulated push notifications and now they don't pretty much settles the debate in my favor. Apple can regulate push notifications for PWAs in all sorts of ways outside of barring them altogether, just…

The point is that Apple only managed to reign in push notifications because they were able to warn/ban apps. They can't do this with PWA.

They absolutely can.

You’re acting like there’s zero way for them to throttle what’s going on in Safari.

How do you think Google warns you when you’re going to some malware website? They keep a list somewhere. Apple could do that very easily.

Computers are very good at keeping lists.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by reificator »

antipaul wrote: post #268
reificator wrote: post #227

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> I really love the new app drawer. My hundred barely-used apps are now neatly stowed there while I keep a single (Yes, one) Home Screen. I hop between Android and iOS every few years and was quite excited for iOS to check this basic functionality box right as I came back. Shame they had to ruin it by forcing the absolutely nonsensical categories on you with no option for a plain alphabetical list. Just give me the U…

I think it's fine. You get default categories which have advantages* or alphabetical order - which you can also get by swiping down in the app drawer. tap and hold scrollbar to get to the position you need. *in default view, I can tap on the larger icons to open the app right away. Or I can tap on the smaller ones to get all the apps in that category. Then, there aren't that many categories and the predictiveness act…

> You get default categories which have advantages [snip] in default view, I can tap on the larger icons to open the app right away.

Sure, I've heard of homescreen icons before.

> or alphabetical order - which you can also get by swiping down in the app drawer.

Which means three gestures to get to the alphabetical one including hiding the keyboard.

> tap and hold scrollbar to get to the position you need.

Yep, that's a positive. Just wish I could get straight there.

The app drawer is for the apps I use infrequently. Which means I'm less likely to have internalized their app icons, and I can't view the text in the default view so I have no idea what I'm looking for.

The only text I get is the category name, like Other for Phillips Hue or Creativity for Twitch. YouTube? Entertainment. Twitch? Creativity. And Podcasts goes under Entertainment despite the fact that I have an Education category already.

The categories make no sense to me and I have no way to rectify that, I already use homescreen folders for categorization, and without text it's a pain to find what I'm after, especially if it's hidden inside the "fourth slot".

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Post by redisman »

perardi wrote: post #223
avtar wrote: post #215

I hope they start offering something similar to the Android call screening feature https://www.androidcentral.com/how-use-call-screen-feature-p... That has been such a huge quality of life upgrade.

Not quite , but they are finally making the Phone notification a standard notification, and not a giant screaming blocking full-screen YOU WILL PAY ATTENTION NOW modal view. https://9to5mac.com/2020/06/22/ios-14-incoming-call-ui/ I always hated that. I hate phone calls, period, and I certainly don’t want that phone call to take over my entire phone.

Awesome. Somehow my spam calls have spiked this year so that some days it’s 10+ calls from permutations of my phone number

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by redisman »

dylan604 wrote: post #111
redisman wrote: post #28

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I'm glad to see they support it but requiring 3GB of free space on 16GB(minus OS) is gonna take me a few nights to squeeze out. I just wish the iTunes install could use swap on my computer.

Does it not? I thought that was the fix for when you didn't have enough space for an OTA update. Has this changed in more recent iOS versions?

I’ll try again tonight but I recall it didn’t work that way

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by wayneftw »

Zippogriff wrote: post #214
wayneftw wrote: post #193

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> I can't really parse this... Allow me to make it very simple: You didn't give any reasons for your opinion. You just gave your opinion. > ...I reckon the most correct response is, "no, u". If you're used to that sort of argumentation, I suppose that is what you'd reckon. > It's really incredible how often relatively straightforward conversations on HN end up veering, pointlessly, into theory of the mind and epistem…

You explicitly claimed it wouldn't be worse. Consider applying your own standards to that claim. Consider also that it's possible to assert something without perfect knowledge of its truth. Usually context is sufficient to gather the level of certainty being expressed, or the implicit perspective from which it holds true, without hedging and defensively weakening every little statement. > > Perhaps that's because you…

> You explicitly claimed it wouldn't be worse. Consider applying your own standards to that claim.

Having a choice is always better than not having one with regards personal preferences. That's my standard. What's yours aside from "I don't like web apps"?

> Your entire objection, which seems to carry some unusual assumptions about the power and utility of thought experiments and the extent of the value of comparing similar, but not identical, things. Notably, it appears to reject them as being to any useful degree, even for evaluating a user-facing OS feature valid or enlightening.

For example?

You are needlessly complicating the conversation with all this meta-drivel. It's pretty simple really: You want everybody to have no choice. I want people to have a choice. I stated my position pretty clearly. You're just giving opinions and philosophizing.

> Making them opt-in and off by default, ideally with no way for the app to tell whether they're enabled, would be an improvement...

Good - we've moved from zero choice, to some choice. We're making progress!

> because I do not like webapps and prefer an environment that makes me less likely to encounter them for any reason.

That's not a reason. That's an opinion and a personal preference. You didn't state the reason for your opinion that nobody should be able to get PWA notifications.

> I entirely get disagreement with my position on a variety of grounds, but I find such apparent failure to even engage with it, and rejection that it is a position, harder to understand.

You still haven't stated anything other than your opinion.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by Zippogriff »

pier25 wrote: post #184
Zippogriff wrote: post #59

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1) I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp, nor to have to go disable them. I just never want them. 2) Generally I'd rather none of the software I use be webtech, so anything that makes it easier to deliver webtech to my phone/tablet is a step the wrong direction. Yes I'm willing to have less total software in exchange. The point is that I don't want apps that are or will be native,…

> I don't want to see the prompts to allow push notifications from a webapp, nor to have to go disable them. I just never want them. Surely Apple could implement a setting to disable all requests for push notifications? > In short, my UX on iOS is better without them even being possible, so why would I prefer they be allowed? Because not everyone agrees with you and web apps have many advantages over native.

> Because not everyone agrees with you and web apps have many advantages over native.

But I don't care about those advantages (to the extent that they exist for users they're secondary effects of webapps being very cheap to make as cross-platform apps, so more likely to be made in the first place if cross-platform is a requirement) and like being able to choose a platform where it's hard to deploy a webapp instead of a native app, forcing the choice of "native app" or "no app at all" on the part of the developer, because I think it leads to fewer total apps but way more native apps than there'd otherwise be.

So why would I prefer PWAs become more capable on the platform? I see why PWA developers and maybe some users would.

Re: iOS 14 is available today

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Post by Zippogriff »

wayneftw wrote: post #277
Zippogriff wrote: post #214

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You explicitly claimed it wouldn't be worse. Consider applying your own standards to that claim. Consider also that it's possible to assert something without perfect knowledge of its truth. Usually context is sufficient to gather the level of certainty being expressed, or the implicit perspective from which it holds true, without hedging and defensively weakening every little statement. > > Perhaps that's because you…

> You explicitly claimed it wouldn't be worse. Consider applying your own standards to that claim. Having a choice is always better than not having one with regards personal preferences. That's my standard. What's yours aside from "I don't like web apps"? > Your entire objection, which seems to carry some unusual assumptions about the power and utility of thought experiments and the extent of the value of comparing s…

> You still haven't stated anything other than your opinion.

That's all either of us have been doing. [EDIT] and an opinion can be a reason! They're not mutually exclusive. Do you need an itemized list of problems I have with webapps, with figures backing them all up (else they'd be opinions again, I guess)? I figured that'd been discussed to death, especially on HN.

> Having a choice is always better than not having one with regards personal preferences. That's my standard. What's yours aside from "I don't like web apps"?

I like being able to choose a platform that makes it hard for developers to get by with a webapp, pushing them toward native apps. See? I like choice too.

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