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Re: Nova by Panic

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While this editor looks very nice I'm still confused on why I would use this over sublimetext or vscode. It doesn't try to contrast at all just lists a bunch of features that I already have in other editors.

They answered that in the first line of the page > native Mac code editor Looks much more native and likely faster than electron based editors like vscode or Atom.

I use sublime though which is native as well.

Re: Nova by Panic

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That's the first thing I looked for - Java support. Looks like it's not available... for now?

Seems like Panic is billing Nova as a text editor only—not necessarily an IDE. They’d have to add in functionality for a whole host of other things to make that a reality, including compilation, build, debugging, and so on. I doubt all of that can be done with their build scripts and extension framework alone, but, hey—I’ve been wrong before. The state of the IDE landscape on Mac amazes me. It seems like there a $#!*…

Is IntelliJ generally considered ugly?

Re: Nova by Panic

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How is that pompous? Seems rather straight forward to be honest.

A rejection email for a product that's positioned like I just got turned down for a job? How is that not pompous?

Lol. I don’t know why you got downvoted, that email is definitely from their candidate rejection letter template.

“We have chosen to go with another beta tester that better aligns with our needs at this time”.

Re: Nova by Panic

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> and in particular VS Code can’t compete because of it’s business model. What do you mean by that? If there was real demand for it, creating an iPad distribution for VS Code probably wouldn't be that difficult. It already runs great fully in a web browser.

I meant that it's open source with a mix of a number of OSS projects that would all need to arranged and accepted to be packaged in an app to be able to come to the App Store. There has been interest in doing something to have VSCode in some way or shape on the iPad for a long time [0]. I see a lot of "you just need to" iPad on VSCode tricks that basically describe running a part of the UI locally and the rest hosted…

Every single limitation you mentioned will apply to Nova and other editors as well. It would be great to write and run code on an iPad, but that's simply not happening. Cloud-backed is the best we can do, and VS Code already excels at that.

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Seems like Panic is billing Nova as a text editor only—not necessarily an IDE. They’d have to add in functionality for a whole host of other things to make that a reality, including compilation, build, debugging, and so on. I doubt all of that can be done with their build scripts and extension framework alone, but, hey—I’ve been wrong before. The state of the IDE landscape on Mac amazes me. It seems like there a $#!*…

Is IntelliJ generally considered ugly?

IntelliJ is definitely ugly, but not quite as bad as NetBeans or Eclipse. It's really powerful though and I prefer WebStorm and PyCharm for a number of things. I think it's because of how complex the interface is, combined with looking like a cross-platform app. It feels to me like I'm using a Windows app that happens to run on mac.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Why is this being downvoted? He’s right. > When purchasing an annual subscription, you will immediately get a perpetual fallback license for the exact version available at the time. https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What...

Though it is made slightly (?) better for the fact that if you for 12 month consecutively, then your fallback license is upgraded to the version 12 months ahead. (That is, the next sentence in the bit you quoted is:) > You will receive perpetual fallback licenses for every version you’ve paid 12 consecutive months for.

I never bothered to understand what "perpetual fallback" actually meant until you explained it here. It seems like a fair arrangement except that some releases of IntelliJ have a notable quality dip while new features stabilize - it's a bummer if the 12 month period you pay into happens to be in one of those dips.

Re: Nova by Panic

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I used Emacs for 10 years. When I started writing JS almost exclusively at my current job, I switched finally to VSCode (albeit with emacs keybindings). The plugin/extension experience between emacs and vscode is, of course, almost an apples to oranges comparison. But VSCode is much better in that regard in my opinion. I want yak-free IDE. After ten years my Emacs config is a herd of beautifully shaved yaks. VSCode i…

The problem I've had with VSCode - and also Sublime, as it happens - is that on a moderately large JS project it's something of a CPU hog. Both editors seem to do a lot of indexing, and this is even with loads of ignore folders configured. The irony is that this has driven me to try emacs. I am being driven nearly to distraction by the fact that every single operation seems to almost glory in using a different key co…

Do you use it with lsp-mode or similar?

One would imagine that most CPU load because of rescanning would happen in the language server, and those should be the same between VS Code and Emacs.

Re: Nova by Panic

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I don't mean to complain about Nova, but I don't think being platform-specific is something to be applauded (in itself). It's like making your webapp only for Chrome -- that's not a feature, per-se.

Platform specificity typically comes with native performance and, in the case of Panic, a UI that closely follows OSX conventions. For some (many?) these are meaningful value-adds.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Is there a vim-mode? If so, is it any good? I couldn’t see any mention of it on the webpage or in the extensions.

I used to love Coda back in the late 00s, especially for its live CSS mode (not so revolutionary today with this built into every browser these days), and would happily give Nova a try if they support a decent vim-emulation mode, but without it’s a non starter for me. These days I feel heavily handicapped without it, just recently some tool dropped me into nano and I felt like a child adding random characters to various places in the document while trying to force myself to navigate the text correctly, muscle memory is a strange beast.

Re: Nova by Panic

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I am so confused why they didn't put efforts into making this an iPad app. There is a market for something like this that developers are crying out for, but on mac why would anyone use this over VSCode (and pay $99 for the privilege?)

Does anyone seriously want to develop on the iPad?

I’ve been developing full-time on an iPad for the past two years. I got the idea from a series of blog posts that were written in 2011, so it’s not a new idea. If you search Twitter for #codespaces you’ll see after Microsoft announced Github Codespaces (a web-based IDE based on VSCode), much of the attention was on how this will further enable development on an iPad. Personally I used AWS Cloud9 which does the same as Codespaces.

The iPad is a computer with a keyboard and mouse and a full-featured web browser. There are also language-specific native IDEs like Pythonista and Play.js. There are Git clients available natively as well. Pretty much the only thing you can’t do is make iPad apps on the iPad, which is a pretty small subset of programmers. Pythonista costs $10 and has nearly 1k reviews, so someone must be using it.

So why do people constantly ask “does anyone really want to develop on a computer that offers many development options?” The answer is yes, of course people seriously want to develop on an iPad.

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