That call to action hover made me grin from ear to ear :)
Nova by Panic
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Re: Nova by Panic
#82Man I'm still vim only. I've tried these giant IDE apps, but just can't wing it.
I converted to IDEs when I was working on a humonguous enterprise Java application with thousands of classes, all with similar methods with slightly different signatures.
Also, because of the strong typing, the IDE knows which method is called where, and could thus support refactoring really well.
So if I wanted to change the name of the "save" method in one tree of 87 derived classes, but not the other 532 classes that also had a "save" method, then the IDE made that very easy. Of course, it changed the callers, too!
Re: Nova by Panic
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the same for VSCode and JS/TS support though. Fighting against a fully featured, free, open-source and well-established product just on the basis of speed is going to be an uphill battle.
There is a big "ugh, Electron apps" contingent of Mac users. Or at least, there's a loud one, and I guess they figured it's also a big-enough one...
The vast majority of developers aren't hanging out on HN though. I'll wait till there are real benchmarks but I'd be very surprised if Nova is actually noticeably more performant than VS Code.
Re: Nova by Panic
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're getting downvoted but a legitimate question is if vim binding support is coming or is even possible in the extension framework? VS Code vim binding support is very buggy and breaks frequently, but otherwise works well. I could see myself switching if vim bindings were better on this because I think the sweet spot of editors is a nice GUI/project tree/etc. with vim bindings.
It's worth checking out if the Neovim VScode plugin[1] works for your workflow. It's not as mature, but was much smoother when I tested it out. I'm not able to make the change until they implement a "toggle vim mode" command available... but once they do I'll jump. Also check out Onivim[2] 1: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=asvetlia... 2: https://www.onivim.io/
Interesting, thanks for the links! I use a pretty shallow set of vim features so even if it's minimal but more stable that would be a big boost.
Re: Nova by Panic
#85Watch out BBEdit!
Re: Nova by Panic
#86Man I'm still vim only. I've tried these giant IDE apps, but just can't wing it.
You're getting downvoted but a legitimate question is if vim binding support is coming or is even possible in the extension framework? VS Code vim binding support is very buggy and breaks frequently, but otherwise works well. I could see myself switching if vim bindings were better on this because I think the sweet spot of editors is a nice GUI/project tree/etc. with vim bindings.
I agree. I like how light Vim is and its simple looks but I can understand why people may not like it. What I can't understand is how one can do without modal editing :D
Re: Nova by Panic
#87I don't mean to complain about Nova, but I don't think being platform-specific is something to be applauded (in itself). It's like making your webapp only for Chrome -- that's not a feature, per-se.
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#89It's strange that Nova would target web tech as their top priority, and not Swift. If you're Mac-exclusive, why not advertise top-class support for Apple ecosystem app development? Since Nova is prioritizing web workflows, VSC is the elephant in the room and a very deadly competitor. It's free and open source, it's available on Windows, MacOS, Linux, and it can also be ported to the web. And it's Insanely popular and…
I wonder if they have a plan to move to iPad their codebase after it’s battle tested. There’s a lack of a serious editor over there, and in particular VS Code can’t compete because of it’s business model.
> and in particular VS Code can’t compete because of it’s business model.
What do you mean by that? If there was real demand for it, creating an iPad distribution for VS Code probably wouldn't be that difficult. It already runs great fully in a web browser.
Re: Nova by Panic
#90I've been using the beta version of Nova for a few weeks now and I've almost used my trial period for the 1.0. As a TypeScript developer, if someone made me choose between paying $99 for the actually-free VS Code, or buy Nova, I would by VS Code without hesitation. Before it began getting long in the tooth I was a big Coda fan. On the whole I like VS Code but I do suffer the occasional runaway process so I am open-mi…
I like Panic’s products a lot, particularly Transmit, but for something I use day in and day out to write code, munge datasets to solve production incidents, build and run code, etc., I can’t imagine improving upon a terminal with vim and standard Unix utils. I’m not a total console-chauvinist, I use a GUI email client. But every time I’ve tried any IDE or graphical editor like this, no matter how customizable it is,…
Have you tired IDEA (or siblings)? They focus on keyboard shortcuts and offer much more than vi can offer (full, integrated static analysis across with numerous languages and numerous context-sensitive tools like SSH, SCP, DB connectivity, etc).
I use IDEA and feel absolutely crippled and useless in vi. It's largely because I never use vi and don't care to learn it. I'm very impressed with the IDEA tooling. There's a vi plugin for it if you want to get a head start.