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Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by sho_hn »

Brendinooo wrote: post #2

> Here's a little editor story for fun. During beta we found some bugs in Apple's text layout engine that we just could not fix. Our solution? Writing our own text layout manager… from scratch. Not only did this fix the bugs, but it also boosted our editor's performance. We're not messing around! Seems like there's nobody better than Panic at doing this sort of thing. They're willing to push Apple's UI forward, but t…

To me, the quote and what you put after came as a big surprise - I was ready to nod in agreement as you recognize this as a sad story about the platform.

The last time I was working on a text editor (KDE's Kate) and found a bug in the text layout engine it was written against (Qt's), I wrote a patch, submitted it upstream and it made everyone else's apps better, too.

I can't imagine the world of hurt, discomfort and frustration of developing against a lib set I can't read source code of or improve.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by reaperducer »

biztos wrote: post #219

I'll definitely give it a try but it seems very web-dev-centric at first glance. There is a "preliminary alpha" Go extension for example, but there is first-class support for... FTP. It took me a few minutes to notice the magical sometimes-visible "download" link but now I have the trial, and I hope it's as useful as it is pretty!

You couldn’t find the download link? The one that everyone else in this discussion is raving about?

It’s the huge blue button right in the middle of the page that reads “Download Nova for free.” They couldn’t make it more obvious unless the forced an auto-download.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #177
firloop wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sketch has the same subscription model.

Sketch has a 'soft' way into making you constantly buy subscription. Plugins usually target only the latest released version of Sketch, so if you are dependent on plugins (and you ARE dependent on plugins if you use Sketch), then you either upgrade or eventually lose extended functionality. Because plugin manager will update plugins regardless of their compatibility with your current version.

if you need to hold back on an old version (whether because your license lapsed or whatever else), you should stop updating your plugins as well. They don't force auto updates or anything.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by foobaw »

xavdid wrote: post #22

I really like their pricing structure here. If you want updates forever, it's functionally a subscription (which makes sense - constant updates require constant dev work). The key difference is that if you stop paying, you keep everything you've paid for previously (the app and all past updates). That's a _great_ way to do a subscription.

Tableplus has a similar model

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by RussianCow »

xrendan wrote: post #131
hibbelig wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, the IntelliJ version you can keep using forever is the one from the beginning of the subscription. So while the subscription was valid, you got upgrades, and then if you don't renew, you have to downgrade. It's their way of nudging customers to keep paying. It's working for me.

Slightly different, you get a fallback license for every version you've paid 12 months for [0] [0] https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207240845-What...

This is a bit misleading; you only get a perpetual license for the version you had at the beginning of the 12 months, as you can see with the second graphic[0] on that page.

[0]: https://sales.jetbrains.com/hc/article_attachments/203511589...

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by slmjkdbtl »

ihuman wrote: post #246
slmjkdbtl wrote: post #241

Panic makes the juiciest GUI apps and have the strongest presentations, but I can't stand an editor that isn't 60fps scrolling, feels like Atom all over again (downloaded VS Code just to make sure it's not my computer that's slow, and VS Code did give me smooth scrolling, curious about why a browser based editor is smoother than a native mac one) ps. just found out they're the devs of Untitled Goose Game and Firewatc…

They're the publisher of Untitled Goose Game and Firewatch, not the developer.

thanks for the info!

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by dbt00 »

0898 wrote: post #162

What happened to that little handheld console with a crankshaft Panic was making?

Looks like it's still chugging along. There was a big twitter update a month ago with some in-progress third party projects from developer preview units that shipped.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by fastball »

spiralganglion wrote: post #73

I see a lot of folks here comparing this to VS Code and asking "Why would I use this instead?" — I am exactly on the opposite side of that equation. Why would I use VS Code when I can use this? I've been using Atom for most of the decade (plus a bit of Sublime, and TextMate before), and I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly how I want. There's a ton of custom CSS in my setup. Now, Atom is slow. Th…

> Atom is slow, VS Code is appreciably worse

Honestly this isn't possible. VSC had better perf than Atom 4 years ago[1]. I say this as a long-time Sublime user, which is best-in-class[2] when it comes to perf.

> I've loved being able to hack it to look and feel exactly as I want

What is not customizable in VSC? When I first started using VSC, I installed an extension that made all my keybindings exactly as they were in Sublime, then I installed extensions to make it look almost exactly as my Sublime setup had looked (just took installing a UI theme and a color scheme).

If you want buttery smooth, Sublime is where to go. Native doesn't compete with Sublime's low-level text rendering.

But seriously there must be something wrong with your setup if VSC is lacking in perf and Atom wasn't.

[1] https://blog.xinhong.me/post/sublime-text-vs-vscode-vs-atom-...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mZOzyzlsww&feature=youtu.be

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by reaperducer »

pier25 wrote: post #258
reaperducer wrote: post #202

Eager to try this out. Coda was far ahead of its time, but became dated as others caught up. Hopefully Nova is just as far ahead. Moreover, I'm getting tired of VS Code's slowness and quirks, so switching back to something from Panic would be great. If it crashes less often than VS Code, it's half way there. For those who don't know, Panic is well known for decades for making incredibly high-quality software. It's no…

> Coda was far ahead of its time Other than the Cocoa UI what feature did it introduce? > Panic is well known for decades for making incredibly high-quality software They make great UIs that for sure, but other than that I wouldn't consider them a great software company. Transmit 4 is one of the slowest FTP clients I've ever used. [0] Coda 1 and 2 were extremely slow. I remember years ago a coworker had to wait a min…

Transmit 4? That came out over a decade ago. Why would you use that as a basis of comparison?

Transmit 5 has been out for more than three years.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Post by fnord77 »

looks nice but highish CPU usage just typing some random sentences at my slowish wpm... enough to set off the fans on my 2015 mbp.

Other editors I use (intellij idea, vs code) don't do this.

Hopefully it is something minor.

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