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Re: Nova by Panic

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I see a lot of real estate dedicated to things I don't care that much about when I'm writing code. I'm probably not the target audience for this. I'm much too happy with Emacs.

It looks pretty configurable. What parts weren't you able to hide?

I refer to their screenshot they show at the home. I was once fond of IDEs that had lots of information on-screen, but now I find it distracting.

Re: Nova by Panic

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Looks pretty, but is there really no Vim extension? I couldn't find one on the Extensions page. This is a deal-breaker for me, I can't use an editor or IDE without Vim bindings, this would kill my productivity.

Is one planned, maybe?

Re: Nova by Panic

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> The default editing experience is lightweight, and that's a good thing. But the plugin story is dire. Plugins like ESLint and Prettier crash constantly, requiring an app restart. Prettier has a format-on-save behaviour that seems to format after save on some file types. Typescript cmd-click definitions are broken, cmd-click import filepaths are broken. This is all fair. I've been using the beta on and off, and so f…

I hope so and I do root for them. But I remember Coda development felt sluggish compared to the pace we see in VS Code. And this 1.0 is something they feel is good enough to sell for $100, which IMO is wild.

Yeah, I kind of wonder if it might have been savvier for them to do something like "$29 for new users until the end of September and $49 until 1.1 ships." I appreciate that'd be a scary proposition revenue-wise, but I suspect the difference between "surprise hit" and "also ran" is going to depend almost entirely on how quickly they can get their extension ecosystem up to speed.

Re: Nova by Panic

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post #27

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Sketch has the same subscription model.

Main issue is that ongoing changes in the environment will eventually render whichever Sketch version you are using possibly unusable. I am on a version (that isn't too far out I think) that now can't save anymore on Mac (I suspect the file system/access changes they introduced). So where I previously had a version of Sketch I was totally happy with feature-wise, I now have one that I can't really use anymore. Would'…

That’s Apple’s fault. You could, say, dedicate an old Mac to Sketch and keep it on an old OS, and the setup would work basically forever.

I do think Apple could do much better with backwards-compatibility. They don’t need to go Microsoft’s extreme. I thought they’d found a good compromise for years on the Mac, but it’s tipped much too far towards just breaking everything lately.

Re: Nova by Panic

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The company itself would likely have become part of Apple if not for one bit of unlucky timing. Apple wanted to turn Panic's Mac OS 9 music player, Audion, into iTunes. https://www.panic.com/extras/audionstory/

That's such a great story that's equally well-told. I think that story is what turned me on to Panic in general. Their blog was a must-read for me for years.

If you haven't seen it already, you will love this video by Cabel Sasser:

https://youtu.be/8ZXWdR7RzV8

Cabel, and Panic in general, are true heroes of mine.

Re: Nova by Panic

#168
post #22

I really like their pricing structure here. If you want updates forever, it's functionally a subscription (which makes sense - constant updates require constant dev work). The key difference is that if you stop paying, you keep everything you've paid for previously (the app and all past updates). That's a _great_ way to do a subscription.

Isn't that what update pricing used to be?

Yes, but this way, you don’t end up punishing people who got in at the end of a release cycle!

Re: Nova by Panic

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> I’m not sure there’s enough of a market on the Mac for another commercial code editor, as we already have BBEdit for hard-core text wrangling. That's going to be my issue with Nova, I think -- well, already is, as I've been beta-testing it. (I even have a theme in Nova's extension gallery!) There are a few things specifically relating to text manipulation rather than coding that BBEdit just does super well for me,…

Mm-hmm, and despite my skepticism, I am also tempted. What’s your experience with the theming engine? I use Hugo for my static site generator, and I doubt there’s a theme for that particular flavor yet. (I severely doubt my ability to craft a theme, regardless of how easy it is, but I am tempted.)

It was surprisingly easy to make a Nova theme -- if anything, it was a little easier than TextMate's theming (which is what virtually everybody else bases their theming on, it seems), and unlike VS Code, it supports changing background color in text runs. Which is actually something the theme I wanted to port uses!
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