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Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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pmiller2 wrote: post #159
amluto wrote: post #150

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The area covered is somewhat useless — actual coverage depends hugely on how leaky the building is and how windy it is. The goal is to get enough air through filters that the incoming smoky air is diluted enough by filtered air to achieve a good average particle count. A handheld particle counter helps a lot.

What you say is true as far as it goes. It also depends on the height of the ceiling, because it's actually about a volume of air rather than a surface area of floor space. What you really want to know is how long it takes to recirculate the entire air volume of the space you're interested in. But, for a typical dwelling that has ~10-ft ceilings and isn't too leaky, that square footage number is a really good guideli…

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Post by t-writescode »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #235
grogenaut wrote: post #218

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It's still not really. We had 2 days over 90 in seattle, one in the smoke. And a few days at 88-89, in total I had 4 days where I turned on the window unit in my home office. If I wasnt on a deep coding problem I'd be out in the yard. 4 days a year isn't really justification for aircon

If you live by a busy/noisy street as many apartments are, it's necessary. I grew up in the PNW in the suburbs and living more in the city in apartments the need for AC is much more real.

To add to explain why this is:

* any apartment not facing North is going to be experiencing the sun for a LOT of the day during the summer

* most apartments are only facing a single direction, so you can't get through-air to go from one side of the house to the other to pull the cool air from the "not with sun" side.

* Washington houses love big windows that seem to take up a whole side, so it's just heat from the sun all. day. long.

* many apartments are on the second floor, or higher, so heat naturally rises and there is a real consequence to that.

In the winter, I've had to open my window to keep my old apartment under 80 while on the 4th floor with no heaters running (aside from my desktop computer and other normal electronics).

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Post by vkou »

t-writescode wrote: post #168
sharkweek wrote: post #55

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And as someone in the PNW these last few weeks were going to be our last hurrah of nice warm weather before the long gray winter too.

That part, to me, is the least frustrating. I'm rather tired of having hot indoors because the PNW doesn't have air conditioning as standard in most of the apartments... It hasn't gone under 81 in my apartment since this whole smoke started; and my office tends to sit at 83 on the ground.

My apartment hit a high of 91 on Friday. The current temperature of 84 feels absolutely livable in comparison.

At least I have an air purifier...

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hnarn wrote: post #277
carabiner wrote: post #268

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> they’re available from most hardware stores Home Depot, Lowes etc. have been sold out of or have been donating their N95's since this all started. So you're wrong there. Try searching again, like I did. > definitely from Amazon I said genuine . Many of these have been found to be counterfeit. They may not be, but neither you nor I really know. Essential workers have been given priority everywhere in the US for 3M o…

I’m not going to Google for you but I found an online store selling 3M disposable masks out of San Diego in a few minutes. Not that it matters, since you’ve already decided that “everything” in the entire global economy is sold out, and anything that isn’t is probably fake anyway. I hope you and other people like you take these unprecedented fires as an indication that waiting to buy particle filters until during a f…

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Post by DaniloDias »

leftyted wrote: post #212
DaniloDias wrote: post #169

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I think comparisons to the civil rights movements of the past are valid and I agree that current movements compare unfavorably to the past ones. I'll just repeat that I think it's a significant mistake to make analogies to Nazis or Maoists.

Appreciate the civil response.

I think I approach agreeing with you that it’s bad to make these analogies- but I don’t know of alternatives that clearly communicate the perceived potential for conflict.

Thanks for helping me understand your perspective.

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Post by DaniloDias »

DenisM wrote: post #222
DaniloDias wrote: post #169

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> you would think they would cynically propose a soft spoken figurehead who says inspirational things Oh, but they did, just not from their own ranks. Think about that. Who, among the entire political spectrum in the US, promises to the America's middle class and end to hostilities, a sense of harmony, and a partial absolution of the white guilt? Hint: it's not one person but rather a team of two.

I want to understand, but I have no idea who you are referencing.

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Post by kirillzubovsky »

asdasfasdfasdf wrote: post #292
kirillzubovsky wrote: post #290

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Good to note! One thing I definitely want to do when I have the means is built a cabin/house with the latest and greatest efficiencies. Not in a hippy-earth-loving way, but more in a curious engineer way. Did you know there are these things called Earthships in New Mexico? It's a bit too hippy for me, but on the right track.

I sense some hippie shame (maybe I'm wrong)! IMO a lot of that feeling stems from the government and ruling class pushing back against counter-culture. They were more right about the environment (among other issues) than they even realized at the time. Earthships are unconventional in appearance and implementation, but are great examples of the type of thinking we're going to need to overcome imminent climate issues.…

No, no hippie shame at all. In fact, I suppose everyone has their own view on what a hippy is, and I should not have referred to it as "hippy" to begin with. It's too generic and yet personal, and doesn't quite describe anything specifically applicable to this case. my bad!

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Post by kirillzubovsky »

Fej wrote: post #291
kirillzubovsky wrote: post #239

Yup. It's been a fun weekend. Everyone in the family is feeling the cabin fever, but outside (Bellevue, WA) smells like inside of a fireplace. We put a few boxed fans with HEPA filters around the house and they are now black. In hindsight, should've bought more filters, but all the stores and Amazon are sold out for the near future. Speaking about the future, this puts planning in perspective. With the climate changi…

For air filters, try McMaster-Carr. They generally sell to businesses but ship to home addresses as well.

That's actually a fantastic reminder - get commercial things when it comes to high quality products - they definitely don't come to mind at first, but it's the same for many things, from appliances to boats. Commercial grade is meant to last way more than over the counter consumer goods!

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Post by kelnos »

kiddico wrote: post #280
bfuclusion wrote: post #271

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I use these guys to have them shipped. Comes in a few days, but this is going to last a while https://www.secondnature.com/

I realize that air filters are the perfect candidate for a subscription service... but it's just insane the that every product in existence has a business prepared to ship some of it to you monthly.

Even with filters, it annoys me from an environmental perspective that the default flow leads you into having them ship you the exact number of filters your house needs, every two months.

Do filters have a shelf life? If not, or if it's sufficiently long, I'd rather they just send me six filters once a year, instead of one every two months, or something like that. I get that some people might not have enough storage space to pre-order like that, but it's otherwise completely unnecessary to send one at a time.

(The only plus I can think of to the one-at-a-time model is that getting a new one in the mail is a nice reminder to replace the filter. But I also have this thing called a "calendar" that I can use.)

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Post by 8note »

01100011 wrote: post #188

I wonder how much of an effect this will have on crop yields and crop quality? I expect we'll see lower yields and less carbohydrate content. Also, what is the composition of the particles emitted by the fires? Is it mostly carbon or is there some potassium hydroxide? Is that fertilizing to any degree?

Carbohydrate content of crops has generally been going up with all that CO2 in the air, so maybe a bit less photosynthesis will do well for the nutritional content?
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