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Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by ogre_codes »

antimatter15 wrote: post #67

So this must be why last week's updated "App Store Review Guidelines" explicitly excluded "one-to-many realtime experiences". Third party fitness apps need to fork over 30% to Apple, while they launch their own first party competitor. 3.1.3(d) Person-to-Person Experiences: If your app enables the purchase of realtime person-to-person experiences between two individuals (for example tutoring students, medical consulta…

The sort of pre-recorded experiences Apple is offering here have always been subject to the 30% App Store fee. The P2P option was a loosening/ clarification of the rules.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by hexedpackets »

013a wrote: post #77
ilikehurdles wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The $1000+ up front and $30 monthly is for the trainer product. You can subscribe to Peloton's (or Aaptiv's or any number of brands') workouts and BYODevice and pay in the neighborhood of $13/mo for the workouts. Fitness+ absolutely is encroaching on that subscription workout space, but a physical bike/treadmill and a watch are not competitors. If someone wants a stationary bike they're not going to be shopping for a…

But, there's an argument to be made that they would be cross-shopping $500 Amazon-Prime-deliver-tomorrow bikes, to pair with the Apple ecosystem they already have. I would be scared if I ran Peloton. Their entire MO is the ecosystem; you buy the bike, with the integrated tablet, and use their fitness program. Outside of the top 1% who could drop three grand on the Peloton system without blinking, Apple's whole "$500…

$500 stationary bikes are crap. Apple Fitness is only slightly cheaper than Peloton standalone - $10 vs $13 - so I don't think that would be a factor for many people.

The main drive of Peloton if you aren't buying their bike is the instructors and high quality classes - I struggle to imagine many people would care more about watch integration than class quality, and I don't think Apple will be able to win out on the latter anytime soon.

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Post by oblio »

slg wrote: post #38
netcraft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to agree, but its always amazing to me how much that seems to matter to viewers on twitch. The entire streamer business model centers around people paying to have someone say their name.

I was just having this debate the other day on HN. Just because "saying someones name" is the most visible return someone gets for a Twitch subscription does not mean that is the primary or only motivating factor. People don't donate to NPR solely because they want a tote bag. Supporting and motivating creators is also a huge reason for donating even if it isn't a tangible return.

You're right that it's not solely because of that. But I think it's probably the main reason, by far. It's almost impossible to bet on human vanity and lose :-)

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by matsemann »

cliverani wrote: post #121
ActorNightly wrote: post #95

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>when you can cycle outside with a Fitness+ instructor Please don't do this. Its not safe.

It's just literally audio feedback telling to you go faster or slower based on your heart rate. It's no more dangerous than voice navigation while driving.

Unless it can pair with power sensors for wattage I don't think I could see any cyclists try this. If one's dedicated enough to use a program like this during workout, there are far better existing options.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by Dahoon »

EricE wrote: post #19
sleavey wrote: post #4

What I dream of is a health monitor watch that's built from open hardware and gives me complete control over and ownership of my data. I don't trust any profit-driven company, even Apple, with such private information. EDIT: thanks to obenn, who pointed me towards [1]. Still in development, but looks promising. [1] https://www.pine64.org/pinetime/

Since privacy is a key differentiator for them (huge financial incentives to actually deliver and not just pay lip service), and there are significant penalties waiting for them if they are lying about protecting privacy (as well as plenty of people who would love to call them out on it), Apple is probably the most trustworthy of any organization if you care about privacy. Also you can keep your data local with Apple…

Privacy, by one of the biggest NSA data providers?

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by Philip-J-Fry »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #27

RIP local fitness instructors. Already battered by the pandemic, a lot of them have been successfully transitioning to an online only business model. This will make it harder.

Youtube has been a thing for a long time, and a free service. Apple is doing the same thing except they're making much higher quality videos, with hardware integration, and charging money for it.

If video workouts were to replace fitness instructors it would have happened over 5 years ago.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by gyc »

tw04 wrote: post #45
slg wrote: post #2

I wouldn't want to be Peleton, Mirror, or one of those similar companies. Is it worth the extra $1000+ up front and $30+ monthly for the Peleton and Mirror trainers to mention your name?

Unless Apple is releasing a bike and treadmill I doubt Peloton has much to be concerned with. Half the draw is the fact the tread and bike are both extremely high quality and directly track what you're doing (distance, not just heart rate). I don't even think Apple currently has a compatible cadence sensor? Mirror... I never really understood that one in the first place but I'll assume the folks who love it love it p…

Damn I'd buy an iBike.

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by mike_d »

88840-8855 wrote: post #91
newscracker wrote: post #46

I like the idea of Apple Fitness+. That it provides an integrated experience with the watch and another device (iPhone/iPad/Apple TV) is exactly what I’ve been waiting for all these years! No need to create yet another online account on a service that may share (or sell or probably lose) my workout and health information. The workout recommendations are computed on-device, and the data stays on the devices (health da…

I disagree. YET ANOTHER feature that is linked to ONE SINGLE account. If apple decides to block your account, everything is gone. This happened some time ago to my microsoft account - everything gone. And why? Because I have uploaded (automatically) a nude picture of my gf to their cloud, it was detected by their algorithm and my account was locked. I had to communicate with microsoft by a PAPER LETTER(!) to understa…

Was your girlfriend of age?

To the best of my knowledge the only thing Microsoft searches for and actions in user uploaded files is content that hits against PhotoDNA. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by yoganotch »

Just wanted to take this as a chance to show what our company is doing: https://yoganotch.com - a smart yoga assistant, powered by wearable motion capture (which we have been producing for a while).

just launched this year. Happy to chat with anyone who is into quantified yoga.

P.S. I am one of the founders.

P.P.S. Saw someone mention it :)

Re: Apple Fitness+

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Post by oblio »

reaperducer wrote: post #65
netcraft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tend to agree, but its always amazing to me how much that seems to matter to viewers on twitch. The entire streamer business model centers around people paying to have someone say their name.

its always amazing to me how much that seems to matter to viewers on twitch It's like when you're at a Cheap Trick concert and the singer shouts, "Hello, Madison! Are you ready to rock?!" Hopefully, the concert is actually in Madison, and isn't in Hoboken.

Or if you want to have an even funnier example, Bucharest and Budapest.

For those that don't know the backstory, Bucharest is the capital of Romania. Budapest is the capital of Hungary. Romania and Hungary don't like each other. The safest way to get a crowd to boo as an entertainer you is to mix up the two names :-)

Or, for more embarrassment: https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/400-athle...

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