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Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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Post by forgotmypw17 »

tyingq wrote: post #163
newacct583 wrote: post #158

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I dunno, that sounds correct to me (contra the article here where they're just mindbogglingly wrong). The customs process isn't designed to prioritize customer value, it's designed to prevent counterfeit goods from reaching the market. These were counterfeit. Demanding that they part out the shipment for you to separate the stuff-they-can't-prove-is-counterfeit from the stuff-recipient-actually-wants isn't their job.…

They wouldn't "part it out", they would let me do it. This was an air shipment and the goods were in the same city I'm in. While I'm not happy with the supplier, I don't think this was intentional on their part either. They just source AC adapters from someone else in Shenzhen. You can imagine they aren't real familiar with the consequences of trademark infringement. Which is what this was. Edit: Note that it was all…

>While I'm not happy with the supplier, I don't think this was intentional on their part either. They just source AC adapters from someone else in Shenzhen. You can imagine they aren't real familiar with the consequences of trademark infringement. Which is what this was.

So you were their first U.S. customer and they'd never shipped anything to the U.S. before?

Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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Post by colejohnson66 »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #142
Zenbit_UX wrote: post #125

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I think they're the best on the market but I'm not dumb enough to through "objectively" in my comment as an intensifier... Oh, and I bought them to go with my android phone because they are that good...

My comment was well thought out. If you cannot find a better (in every way) earbud at the price that airpods sell for, I think you are misinformed.

Isn’t the burden of proof on the person making the claim? In this case, you’re claiming they’re worse, so the burden is on you to find a better one. Any would work. But to put the burden on the person claiming, in their own opinion, that they’re simply “the best on the market” doesn’t make sense.

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Post by [deleted] »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #242
Dylan16807 wrote: post #240

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I don't feel like arguing about audio quality, but the reason they're being anti-competitive about it is because they're leveraging the objectively better latency.

There are standard ways of achieving low latency. Everybody else does it. Why did they choose to implement a proprietary solution that works only with their phone and their earmuffs?

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Re: Feds seize ‘counterfeit Apple AirPods’ that are actually OnePlus Buds

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Post by kop316 »

Navarr wrote: post #226
kop316 wrote: post #168

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Respectfully, how would they be able to verify that a) you are being truthful, and b) that only part of the shipment is real, when once part has been shown not to be?

It doesn't matter. The burden of truth is supposed to be on the accuser. Consider if you will - a robber is caught by police in his own house. In this house, they found the items the robber stole. Should they: a) take the items the robber stole b) take everything

In a civil case like the one above, its based on a preponderance of evidence. Are you saying that when one device is fake, I should give the benefit of the doubt and assume no other is?

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Post by kop316 »

tyingq wrote: post #183
kop316 wrote: post #173

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You seem assume that CBP will just trust you on your word alone. That's my entire point. They don't know what your intentions with this are, nor if you are being truthful.

No, I'm saying they saw the main item with their own eyes.

So...CBP are now magically EEs and should now know everything about electronics?

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Post by kop316 »

true_religion wrote: post #180
kop316 wrote: post #173

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You seem assume that CBP will just trust you on your word alone. That's my entire point. They don't know what your intentions with this are, nor if you are being truthful.

If that's true... then they should investigate, not make an assumption and simply capture all of someones valuable property. OP is inside of the US, and probably lives here as well. He's not a flight risk, and its totally reasonable to ask them to go through slow bureaucratic means to make sure they get it right. CBP acts like they are the first line in a war when really they ought to be helping people come into comp…

I think there is more to the story here than being told really. I bet they did investigate, and the poster didn't have documentation. Why are we assuming the commenter is being totally.honest?

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Post by kop316 »

ashtonkem wrote: post #186
kop316 wrote: post #173

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You seem assume that CBP will just trust you on your word alone. That's my entire point. They don't know what your intentions with this are, nor if you are being truthful.

I have absolutely no idea why “trust” and “intentions” are relevant here. Why should CBP siege all the electronics if just the adapters are not legal? Sure, if the main electronics also have counterfeit UL marks then they also should be seized, but if the main electronics aren’t counterfeit why should invalid adapters be the grounds for seizing everything else?

So how do you know everything is legit and not just the adaptors?

You are "trusting" the poster here and assuming there "intentions" are good.

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Post by tyingq »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #261
tyingq wrote: post #163

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They wouldn't "part it out", they would let me do it. This was an air shipment and the goods were in the same city I'm in. While I'm not happy with the supplier, I don't think this was intentional on their part either. They just source AC adapters from someone else in Shenzhen. You can imagine they aren't real familiar with the consequences of trademark infringement. Which is what this was. Edit: Note that it was all…

>While I'm not happy with the supplier, I don't think this was intentional on their part either. They just source AC adapters from someone else in Shenzhen. You can imagine they aren't real familiar with the consequences of trademark infringement. Which is what this was. So you were their first U.S. customer and they'd never shipped anything to the U.S. before?

After experiencing this, I checked around. Adapters with fake UL marks are everywhere. All over Amazon.com, for example. I honestly hadn't considered it before buying. Had no idea it was a common issue.

I think I was just shipping during some customs frenzy to actually do something about it.

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Post by kop316 »

tyingq wrote: post #216
Avtomatk wrote: post #210

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>There are large categories of products, this one included, where there are ZERO remaining US suppliers. I don't know very well how patents and intellectual property protection work... But, if there are no suppliers of such a product in the United States (assuming your previous argument as true), then what product is being pirated? if there is none (worth the redundancy), to my understanding, there has to be a vendor…

It was a UL mark. Underwriters Laboratories. They are a company that tests products for electrical safety. The manufacturer of the AC adapter didn't pay for testing, but put the mark on the adapter. The adapters weren't the main thing I was importing, so I hadn't paid any attention to it in the order process. The technical reason for the seizure was trademark violation.

>The technical reason for the seizure was trademark violation.

Do you know what a trademark is? This wasn't a trademark violation, it was a fake certification.

The reason for the seizure is I don't want electronics in my house that could burn it down. UL cetifiies that. That's NOT a trademark. That's a certification.

You really don't seem to understand that you were caught trying to import bogus goods. It's also concerning that you are mixing up terms (trademark vs certification), as it casts doubt on the one side of the story I am hearing from you.

I get that it may not be your fault, but the CBP doesn't know that. They don't have a crystal ball to know that you were innocent of it, nor are they EEs who can figure out that's real and what's not. They also shouldn't be. Use a more trustworthy supplier next time.

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Post by kop316 »

tyingq wrote: post #243
ardy42 wrote: post #220

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> Seized the adapters. That would have been enough for me to be more careful about adapters in the future. Seizing the whole shipment hurts me, but not the supplier. Where the adapters packaged separately to make that possible? Or are you asking some customs inspector to unbox all your items, remove the adapters, and repack it all?

They could have me do it. Also, they do it eventually to auction off the main parts.

Do you have a link to the auctioned off parts? I'm curious now
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