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At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

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Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

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Not surprised in the least.

My hypothesis is that we won't see a massive shift towards WFH with the exception of a few big name tech companies. Most employers will require people to be in the office, at least a part of the week.

And even those companies who say "ok" to WFH, will start second guessing their decision within a couple years.

Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

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I'll venture a good chunk of that is due to an out-of-sync-with-reality issue. I think we'd all feel more productive and motivated working from home if the world wasn't collapsing all around us. Working on some new feature shaving a few milliseconds off an API call for investment bankers seems a bit out of touch, whether at home or in the office. Blaming loss of productivity solely on working from home may be the wro…

This has been a massive issue for me. I've had the same problem off-and-on over the past few years, whether in offices or at home. The work I do feels rather pointless in a world collapsing around me with no short or long term future. I at least sometimes get pulled back into feeling good about what I work on because it's a consumer app that does have a large userbase that depends on it for their happiness, and I do…

> in a world collapsing around me with no short or long term future.

This is just your world-view being shaped by your “news” sources. Maybe get off of social media for a while or only follow people who do not talk about politics/current events.

> but if I was working in finance? No way.

People who say this tend to underestimate the importance of finance. For example, enabling easy mobile banking for tech illiterate people is going to have a much larger impact on society than 99% of the apps already out there. Another: imagine if you can fix budgeting for the 90% of people who don’t bother.

Don’t shit on fields you don’t understand. It makes you look ignorant and blocks you from even realizing the opportunities in the world.

Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really hate working at home. I don't have enough space or privacy, it I really my office, I don't have enough space or privacy, or even a window. At home I have a spacious desk with wide windows. It's almost as if the problem is not office vs home but comfortable space vs shithole.

You're lucky For many people on HN, it's going to be the opposite. A smaller than desirable city apartment and an office which the company has spent money on to make it comfortable, well-lit, good facilities etc.

And yet many companies insist on the disastrous open floor plan. No privacy etc.

Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

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This may be an unpopular opinion, but I honestly can't wait to get back to the office (or any other workspace that isn't my home). I really hate working at home. I don't have enough space or privacy, it becomes far more difficult to partition work and play when they occur in the same spaces / I find myself distracted more easily, and there is no one to socialize with when I'm sitting by myself every day. Could I reme…

I've officially reached zero productivity today. I'm sick of being stuck in my tiny condo with the noise from neighbors and zero work/life balance. The constant streams of asks on Slack that wake me up in the morning and keep me up at night. I'm making more in the stock market than my job.

> I'm making more in the stock market than my job.

Assuming you’re talking about trading - enjoy it while it lasts, but don’t quit your job to do it full time. Unless you have an actual edge of information, you’re just gambling and will eventually get steam-rolled by the event you’re not expecting.

Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

#96

Never believe stories like this, measuring productivity is an impossible problem. Microsoft spend something in excess of 3 billion dollars trying to quantify productivity in the 90s and they couldn't do it. One of my college professors worked on this exact problem for the Army in the 80s, they created a formal domain specific language for quantifying employee productivity it took them 20 years and several hundred mil…

> Employees always figure out how to abuse productivity metrics. If people can abuse your productivity metric, then it's a bad measure of productivity - not a fault of the worker.

Parent agrees, and further observes that all measures of productivity are "bad".

Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

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Not to minimize the struggles of suburban parents, but I do feel they might be divorced from what single urban life is like right now. As a "younger" (30 year old) tech employee, in addition to living in a cramped space with 3 roommates in SF with no privacy, I have to work in a dining room because my bedroom has very thin walls. I also have to do cook and clean way more often, when I previously used to get 3 meals a…

How about moving back home? Your parents will be happy to have you around, cooking will be fun again, they are your best friends. And since there are only 7 zipcodes in the whole US where single men outnumber single women ages 20-40, your dating life may surprisingly improve too! Listen this is a healthy perspective. Having such clarity about how shitty things are without the perks. Most people sit around years rumin…

Thanks, that's actually great advice. I can't move back home - my parents aren't in the US and with border closures and tax implications I don't want to risk international travel now.

I don't have any visa issues thankfully, so I can pretty much relocate to anywhere in the country. I'm thinking of an AirBnb in a nice seaside town.

Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Employees always figure out how to abuse productivity metrics. If people can abuse your productivity metric, then it's a bad measure of productivity - not a fault of the worker.

Parent agrees, and further observes that all measures of productivity are "bad".

Parent does not agree, if parent agreed, then parent would not have used the word "abuse", which implies that the worker is the one at fault.

There are many nuances to the English language that are difficult for non-native speakers to pick up.

Re: At JPMorgan, productivity falls for younger employees at home

#100
With a 1.5 year old daughter WFH is great. Sure, there’s distractions — she wants to climb on my lap and bang the keyboard and play with the mouse. In the start I used to get upset about the interruption but now I take a 5-10 min break and play with her. It gives me purpose to why I’m behind the keyboard in the first place. If I were in an office I’d miss these moments, leaving the house before she wakes up and returning just before she goes to bed.
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