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Re: Show HN: Mimestream, a native macOS email client for Gmail

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this. I will pay $50 for such an App for Fastmail (or really, just IMAP speaking please)

Have you tried Spark? It's the spiritual successor to Sparrow, I use it on phone and laptop and really like it. The only downside is that it's on a freemium model... [1] https://sparkmailapp.com/

I'd avoid Spark due to privacy concerns. You can't turn off their 'collaboration features' so that they don't collect any data

[0]https://sparkmailapp.com/privacy#privacy_2

Re: Show HN: Mimestream, a native macOS email client for Gmail

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This looks really nice and runs great. Does the GMail API let you tap in to the "Important" tag?

Yes, it does! Flagging messages as important/unimportant is already supported in the code, but the feature is currently disabled in the UI. I plan to enable it once I add sections support to the Inbox to match up to Gmail's Priority Inbox feature.

On this note, the notifications are popping off about every 10 minutes for me. It would nice if I could set notifications to only show for "important" emails.

PS - Thanks for the app, it's already an improvement in some ways over the gmail interface... looking forward to even more!

Re: Show HN: Mimestream, a native macOS email client for Gmail

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"Serves only Google" when talking about email is not as limiting as your language suggests. As of October 2018, Gmail had 1.5 billion users.

I think you're missing the point I was trying to make. When Gmail decides to ship their own native client on MacOS, this platform will become abandonware.

Unless it's better or google disables the api. I say this because I use the paid Apollo app for reading reddit and it's far superior to Reddit's own free app. But I do agree that it's probably a niche user base compared to the OEM app promoted by the service itself.

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I don't see much difference in the distinction between the client software (written by Mimestream, probably with regular updates) having access to your account, which it obviously has to has, and Mimestream having direct access. But IANA security researcher, so salt liberally.

I mostly agree -- it takes a level of trust to provide your credentials to a third party app. However, there are precautions that you can do to minimize the risk of your credentials used without your authorization with a local client software: 1) requiring multi-factor authentication when credentials are used from a new location/device/ip... 2) A local firewall(like little snitch for osx) that surfaces any unexpected…

Tokens are granted to the app running on your Mac, not a service. There's definitely no Mimestream-run service component with access tokens to your account.

One tip - on the Google OAuth sign-in page, you can inspect the URL's query component to see the redirectURL parameter, and you'll see where Google will send the token. In Mimestream's case, it is :/oauthredirect, which is a custom scheme registered with macOS by the app, so macOS shows you the "Do you want to allow this page to open Mimestream" prompt.

This being said, you are totally correct, when you use any closed-source app like this that you did not build yourself, you are placing trust in the developer, and you are wise to be cautious.

In my opinion, there are still several practical security/privacy downsides to apps that run intermediary services with access to (or copies of) your email: - A larger attack surface (the intermediary service) for an adversary to take advantage of, and one that is probably less hardened than Gmail - A larger bug surface, as the service could potentially accidentally expose your data to another user (and this sort of bug _has_ happened in the past to others). - Google probably has serious policies/systems in place for preventing a curious (or disgruntled) employee from reading your unencrypted email. Hopefully. That level of sophistication seems less guaranteed from a small company, and it's completely invisible to you as a user.

Re: Show HN: Mimestream, a native macOS email client for Gmail

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Hi HN! In the past, I spent over 7 years working on Apple Mail, and today I am really excited to share a new email client I'm building: Mimestream, a native macOS email client for Gmail. Mimestream is written in Swift, and uses AppKit+SwiftUI for a clean, stock appearance. It's designed to be fast, lightweight, and use a minimal amount of disk space. Mimestream's advantages over using the Gmail web interface includes…

Are you planning to support the "postpone" feature? This is the one thing that is missing for me when using gmail in Apple Mail.

Would love to, but need Gmail API support. Please consider Starring (but don't comment +1): https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/109952618

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Hi HN! In the past, I spent over 7 years working on Apple Mail, and today I am really excited to share a new email client I'm building: Mimestream, a native macOS email client for Gmail. Mimestream is written in Swift, and uses AppKit+SwiftUI for a clean, stock appearance. It's designed to be fast, lightweight, and use a minimal amount of disk space. Mimestream's advantages over using the Gmail web interface includes…

This is great! Will you be supporting the different type of inboxes e.g. "Important first"?

I've received an overwhelming amount of feedback asking for this, and I plan to add this functionality.

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> To prevent unauthorized access, Advanced Protection only allows Google apps and verified third-party apps to access your Google Account data, and only with your permission. - https://landing.google.com/advancedprotection/ I didn't realise until now that third-party apps could work with Advanced Protection.

I didn't either. I'll be looking into this. Thanks!

I looked into it and it seems by invite only. I get it.

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I didn't either. I'll be looking into this. Thanks!

I looked into it and it seems by invite only. I get it.

Thank you for looking into it. I will consider removing it from my account... seems to only add barriers that are vendor lock in and not actual security.
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