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Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by leptons »

nine_zeros wrote: post #6

It does SOMETHING. It paves the way to normalizing corruption from the highest level in America. This means businesses with US operations (US businesses as well as foreign businesses) will forever be aware of this corruption and try to curry favor with the highest levels. If they don't curry favor, they will find other ways or simply avoid the American market. This means America is now more like third world democraci…

> That makes it less of a sale and more of a glorified hosting deal. It lets Trump say he’s solved the problem but doesn’t do much else. [from the article]

Trump is in every way no different than a 3rd world dictator. And this is just yet one more way.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by shadowtree »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #10
vezycash wrote: post #3

Used the app for a few days, and realized that keeping TikTok out of the hands of US tech companies is best for the users. 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. 2. (Most important) copyright hunters will have a harder time ruining the experience. 3. Includes the ability to DOWNLOAD videos! (this blows my mind. I mean, consider the cat and mous…

> 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. The account-less app alone tracks way more than what microsoft could ever track with all their account systems.

MS own LinkedIn ... I think you'd be surprised.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by oarsinsync »

nikkwong wrote: post #9
vezycash wrote: post #3

Used the app for a few days, and realized that keeping TikTok out of the hands of US tech companies is best for the users. 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. 2. (Most important) copyright hunters will have a harder time ruining the experience. 3. Includes the ability to DOWNLOAD videos! (this blows my mind. I mean, consider the cat and mous…

Yeah. This kind of interface problem is absolutely mind blowing to me. iOS especially always feels almost dumb enough to be unusable to me in comparison with my computer. For example, the other day I just wanted to download an Mp3 to my phone so I'd be able to play it at night with the cellular network turned off. It ended up taking almost an hour to figure out. Downloading a file to the filesystem is nigh impossible…

> It feels like user hostility and it surprises me that this behavior doesn't drive more people wild.

It does. The issue is that the alternative brings its own set of user hostile behaviour. At least this devil I already know.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by vezycash »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #10
vezycash wrote: post #3

Used the app for a few days, and realized that keeping TikTok out of the hands of US tech companies is best for the users. 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. 2. (Most important) copyright hunters will have a harder time ruining the experience. 3. Includes the ability to DOWNLOAD videos! (this blows my mind. I mean, consider the cat and mous…

> 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. The account-less app alone tracks way more than what microsoft could ever track with all their account systems.

>The account-less app alone tracks way more than what microsoft could ever track with all their account systems.

I'm using TikTok lite.

TikTok only requested STORAGE permission when I wanted to save a video. That's all.

Tubemate - one of those youtube apps requires: Read phone state and location permissions. Won't launch without it.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by coronasaurus »

cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #10
vezycash wrote: post #3

Used the app for a few days, and realized that keeping TikTok out of the hands of US tech companies is best for the users. 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. 2. (Most important) copyright hunters will have a harder time ruining the experience. 3. Includes the ability to DOWNLOAD videos! (this blows my mind. I mean, consider the cat and mous…

> 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. The account-less app alone tracks way more than what microsoft could ever track with all their account systems.

Provide some evidence for that statement, please.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by DudeInBasement »

vezycash wrote: post #14
cocktailpeanuts wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Registration not needed - without nagging. First thing Microsoft would have done is to require signup to use. The account-less app alone tracks way more than what microsoft could ever track with all their account systems.

>The account-less app alone tracks way more than what microsoft could ever track with all their account systems. I'm using TikTok lite. TikTok only requested STORAGE permission when I wanted to save a video. That's all. Tubemate - one of those youtube apps requires: Read phone state and location permissions. Won't launch without it.

I'll take, what is internet cookie for 1000 alex

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by modeless »

nine_zeros wrote: post #6

It does SOMETHING. It paves the way to normalizing corruption from the highest level in America. This means businesses with US operations (US businesses as well as foreign businesses) will forever be aware of this corruption and try to curry favor with the highest levels. If they don't curry favor, they will find other ways or simply avoid the American market. This means America is now more like third world democraci…

Exactly. It's a handout to Trump's buddy Larry Ellison, and it screws perceived political opponent Google by canceling a big existing cloud contract. Trump has to love everything about this deal. But that isn't the worst part.

The worst part is that this screws the future of the open internet by establishing precedent for segregating everything by country. The US was probably the biggest force supporting a global network without borders. Now that's all hypocrisy. The future of the internet is clear, if it wasn't before: Great Firewalls around every country. It will be really bad for Silicon Valley as a whole and that's yet another reason for Trump to love this deal. He's building a wall on the internet too.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by take_a_breath »

zwieback wrote: post #4

The current government being Ellison-friendly probably helps this deal over some other possible configurations.

Maybe the opposite is true? Ellison being administration-friendly acted as a stalking horse and gets the deal because it doesn't really change TikToc's business, but makes for a campaign press-release.

Re: Oracle’s TikTok deal accomplishes nothing

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Post by DudeInBasement »

leptons wrote: post #11
nine_zeros wrote: post #6

It does SOMETHING. It paves the way to normalizing corruption from the highest level in America. This means businesses with US operations (US businesses as well as foreign businesses) will forever be aware of this corruption and try to curry favor with the highest levels. If they don't curry favor, they will find other ways or simply avoid the American market. This means America is now more like third world democraci…

> That makes it less of a sale and more of a glorified hosting deal. It lets Trump say he’s solved the problem but doesn’t do much else. [from the article] Trump is in every way no different than a 3rd world dictator. And this is just yet one more way.

It's not Trump, it's presidential powers.

Over time, the congress has 'delegated' more and more powers to the president making the US more and more a revolving dictatorship.

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