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Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Since we're being pedantic, "Nazi" is always capitalized.

Regarding the capitalization of "N/nazi" People seem to disagree with you: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/73948/grammar-na... Regarding being pedantic: well, I'm not sure what to say. I think confusing "could of" with "could have" is a fundamental, terrible mistake. I guess one person's permissiveness is another's idiocracy?

Oxford dictionary confirms it’s a proper noun: https://www.lexico.com/definition/nazi

No need for StackOverflow conspiracies if we’re lecturing Internet people.

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Google and Microsoft do a lot of interesting research. Waymo is a good example. I'm not sure what Apple does. My issue with big tech is not lack of innovation or research, but rather that it's all private. We're driving people out orgs that share their research with the world and into ones that lock it away.

Researchers working at Bell Labs are credited with the development of radio astronomy, the transistor, the laser, the photovoltaic cell, the charge-coupled device (CCD), information theory, the Unix operating system, and the programming languages B, C, C++, and S. Source: Wikipedia page on Bell Labs. Yes, google does research but not the basic fundamental research that isn’t immediately a product to be sold.

Let's not be silly, we all know AMP is a way bigger innovation than all of that combined....

In all seriousness, it's very sad how impotent US research has become. Only a few companies and individuals truly pushing the envelope these days (e.g. Musk).

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In Russia we have several successful competitors to Google Maps and even a search engine that's actually good. Competing with Google is extremly difficult, but possible

Yandex Maps is much better in Russia than Google Maps. I also found Yandex's image text translation capabilities to be much superior than Google

In what ways is it better? Data wise it seems thinner in most places eg New York, London. Perhaps it depends on where you are looking. Moscow does look richer yes, but outside Russia?

If features, what features?

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I think Apples research is seeing what happens when you sit on a quarter of a trillion dollars. Without veering far off topic. I don't think apple really has a culture of innovation anymore. Each rectangle looks the same. Remember when nokia had all their crazy feature phones. Taking a 30% cut on apps isn't that.

Counterpoint - A Series Chips. And now MacBooks on Apple Silicon

Bell Labs invented the transistor!

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The biological shortcomings inherent to the species are inherent in scientists and engineers. Your argument to the contrary is reductionist to the point of absurdity. Emotionally minimizing their set of privileges to “their iPhones are the same!” Insanity. Great we all get the same iPhone. I’d rather have their healthcare. But let them push us into multimedia gadgetry production, not hospital building, by shaping the…

Is there an alternative system you’re a fan of?

Username says it all

Ultimately, not acquiescing to social narratives alone is all I’m advocating for.

Narratives like society should avoid limits on the amount social capital we award people (money isn’t a thing outside human societies, having a lot of it isn’t scientific evidence of exceptionalism) on giant promises like forever life, nuclear cars, living on Mars, and whatever Google believes it’ll find sorting all the noise instead of measuring purposesfully.

If you want a free market of ideas and information, enabling a capital monopoly in exchange for a throwaway phone seems a bit nuts rather than putting that into local services to support a majority discussing and researching these ideas away from outdated notions some minority, due to story mode thinking, should profit. Why aren’t the technological inventions good enough for everyone?

Why the historical vault of gold to go with if the phone alone should be good enough for us? A phone that took millions of minds not just the minds of the extra rich. To design build and even make a market for.

There’s exactly no accepted evidence in physics that economic success has anything to do with biological superiority and a whole lot of math suggesting it’s to do with time, place, shape of information available.

In fact decades and millions spent on trying to math out who brings value to an org has resulted in math so Byzantine its impenetrable.

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Just look at tensorflow. It masquerades as enabling open source ai, while really pushing people to pricey, proprietary google cloud compute. How these ppl can keep a straight face, I have no idea.

I currently run a 120 dollar tensorflow device all locally that does real time object detection. I dont understand your criticism.

I'm talking about Google sequestering tensor cores and writing the distributed training code for g-cloud pods. Even your nice embedded inference device was designed with the hopes you'd grab some high performance compute to train something high quality. (These embedded devices are useless for training)

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Regarding the capitalization of "N/nazi" People seem to disagree with you: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/73948/grammar-na... Regarding being pedantic: well, I'm not sure what to say. I think confusing "could of" with "could have" is a fundamental, terrible mistake. I guess one person's permissiveness is another's idiocracy?

Oxford dictionary confirms it’s a proper noun: https://www.lexico.com/definition/nazi No need for StackOverflow conspiracies if we’re lecturing Internet people.

Pointing out that it is becoming a common mistake to confuse the verb "to have" with the preposition "of" -> pedantic!

Failing to capitalize "Nazi" according to what the Oxford dictionary thinks is best for a contraction of two German words -> HAHAHAH! You were being a grammar nazi, but ironically you failed to capitalize Nazi correctly.

Ok. You win. I should of known better!

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Eric Schmidt is an overrated dumbass. The US is still a powerhouse of innovation and will remain so for the foreseeable future. Ripping off IP from US companies who outsource to China does not count as "innovation". Allowing this to happen on a massive scale is the sole reason why "China was able to catch up" so quickly. AI is an interesting one. On the one hand, paper output from China (as opposed to just Chinese au…

I believe people like you have very poor realisation of the gravity such statement carry.

China been the factory of the world for the last 25 years. It has more than six to seven fold per-capita employment rate in technical professions than USA, and more than four times the population.

With all that given, it hard to fathom what a nation needs to do for 25 years to not to become proficient in technology when circumstances are so favourable. Saying the opposite is not pretentious, it's stupid.

I myself spent much of my career working in OEM manufacturing, and been involved in setting up manufacturing enterprises in USA, Canada, and China. The difference in real world skill level in between workers in China, and America is stunning. Putting it shortly, US recent engineering grads fare barely better than Chinese highschoolers at line work. Hiring manufacturing specialists in US is a futile endeavour. I can hire a specialist to program any major brand of chipshooters in a few days in Guangdong, in America, it took us 10 weeks to find somebody who was just capable of passing the interview test.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Why do we persist in this old fashioned notion that Nation States are the axis on which “innovation” turns? The brainpower, resources, and motivation for innovating increasingly lie with huge multinational tech companies, not nation states. And they largely don’t care where you live - if you’re smart they want to hire you (unlike nation states with their Byzantine immigration policies)

Cause Schmidt’s new venture is to ask the government for money, and his sales pitch is “US is falling behind China in R&D, you need to spend more money.”

Big companies asking the government for money is by no means new. And “innovation” sounds so much better than begging or rent-seeking. This whole article is a whirl of hot air.

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> China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. Xenophobia has gradients and degrees: What I am talking about: The number one reason why the US was able to…

> You hold a very narrow view of multicultural societies No, I hold an accurate view of them. Differences matter and the difference between two Han Chinese is not the same difference between a White person and a Somali refugee no matter how much you pretend it is. America was not always a multi-cultural society. It was a society for the white man. This was explicitly stated by every president from George Washington t…

I would recommend you to read up a bit more about China and India multiculturalism. Also read up on American demographics over time and how American success was not guaranteed until America started removing barriers.

America was a great country because we resolved to make it unified and not retain old world (European) differences. I don't see any such resolve today. All I see is a fantasy of some land occupied by white people. A fantasy that never truly existed in the history of America because America has always had diversity.

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