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Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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> And that's one of the key reasons why China has been able to catch up... he thinks the US is still ahead of China in tech innovation, for now. But that the gap is narrowing fast. Which is awesome . Because framing it as "ahead" or a "gap" is completely backwards. Innovation isn't a competition or zero-sum game. Innovation coming out of China benefits the world , just like innovation coming out of the US does. What…

Whatever you're position happens to be, you can't pretend like we're all in this innovating together for the betterment of humankind. China and the US have very different ideologies and are opposing forces in global geopolitics. There are a lot of people, both inside the US and outside, that would prefer to see the US continue to be the most innovative country, so Schmidt's perspective is relevant and informative, no…

But what do ideologies/forces have to do with it?

The article uses published scientific papers as an example. That's open. That's research results the US is getting for free, from China. Which is awesome!

The only way I can interpret your comment as making sense is if we were talking solely about military innovation -- innovation in China's navies, in its air force, in its missiles, or even its ability to hack and disrupt foreign networks.

But Schmidt clearly isn't talking about that, he's talking about basic scientific and engineering research.

I don't disagree there are people who see it as a competition and want to see the US "win", but that is cheap nationalism to me. Because the fact is, the more research that gets done, the more everybody wins.

Even if it's not the intention, why don't you think that research is, indeed, ultimately resulting in the betterment of humankind? Isn't that what progress is?

Here's another way to think about it: producing research is like producing anything else, like iPhones. The world is better off because China has the manufacturing capacity to churn out iPhones cheaper and better than anyone else. Which benefits us all. Because it's not a competition -- it's progress.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Anyone else find it ironic that Google is the subject of one of the biggest anti-trust cases in recent history, and now Schmidt is blaming the US for not innovating enough? Maybe if so much of the tech industry's wealth and resources weren't pooled together into a handful of massive monopolists who have nearly complete control over whether any competitor lives or dies, the US (and really, the entire world) would have…

Just look at tensorflow. It masquerades as enabling open source ai, while really pushing people to pricey, proprietary google cloud compute. How these ppl can keep a straight face, I have no idea.

I currently run a 120 dollar tensorflow device all locally that does real time object detection. I dont understand your criticism.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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> China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. Xenophobia has gradients and degrees: What I am talking about: The number one reason why the US was able to…

> You hold a very narrow view of multicultural societies No, I hold an accurate view of them. Differences matter and the difference between two Han Chinese is not the same difference between a White person and a Somali refugee no matter how much you pretend it is. America was not always a multi-cultural society. It was a society for the white man. This was explicitly stated by every president from George Washington t…

> and neither is India. I'd encourage you to actually go to these places. When I went to India I had to stay in a barricaded hotel with bomb checks. I had people requesting to get a picture with me as I was so unusual every time I went out.

This sounds like some nonsensical attempt to reduce things to race

> India has more than two thousand ethnic groups,[14] and every major religion is represented, as are four major families of languages (Indo-European, Dravidian, Austroasiatic and Sino-Tibetan languages) as well as two language isolates (the Nihali language[15] spoken in parts of Maharashtra and the Burushaski language spoken in parts of Jammu and Kashmir (Kashmir))

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India

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Google Fi is not Google Fiber - it’s probably the least overtly scumbag-y of the US cellphone networks. That said, I switched away from it today after a few years of OK service because they don’t support Apple Watches.

My bad. I’m looking at their plans. https://fi.google.com/about/plans/ They look worse than T-mobile. https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans Unlimited 3G hot spot and $20/month for tablets with unlimited data can’t be beat.

> Unlimited 3G hot spot and $20/month for tablets with unlimited data can’t be beat.

It can if you spend a lot of time travelling - Google's data packages (on 4G!) are good in most of the world at no additional cost.

There's also a service aspect - Fi was often better where I am (downtown in a major US city) than T-Mobile (which my work phone is on).

That said, T-Mobile seems to be more customer-centric than AT&T - who even in 2020 seem hostile to doing business, and I'd consider them in future or for my iPad, just for further network diversity.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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I remember when Eric was CEO of Novell. When he left Sun someone high up sent an email with the slight joke “short Novell” in it.

Eric is smart, no doubt but Google’s success was him getting out of the way and letting him just talk to stroke his own ego

Now he has the government backing him to stroke his massive ego

Does anyone really think Eric does anything for “America’a” interest or your interest?

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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Google definitely could of created a research laboratory. Wasnt it not long ago that companies would invest a lot more money on research? That was why we got so many impressive projects out of Bell Labs and I am sure other companies. Its a shame that horse race ended. Whats worse is Google wants all their software to be as intangible as possible by forcing it all on their servers. Google hasnt had many desktop apps y…

> could of I am not a grammar nazi. I am not even a fucking native English speaker, but what the fuck??? Why is this mistake so prevalent these days?

Since we're being pedantic, "Nazi" is always capitalized.

Re: Ex-Google boss Eric Schmidt: US 'dropped the ball' on innovation

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As an employee of Google, it's sad to see it turn into a conventional company. Sure we take certain risks here and there, but by and large we're optimizing for the next quarter's PnL / growth. We would much rather invest in growing our ad revenue by x% than to start a new team doing something novel. Whenever a new idea comes up that's a bit outside the predictable path of OKRs, it's almost scoffed at, and you're implicitly told not to be silly. There's very little left of the "nothing is impossible" attitude.

Google is still a fantastic company to work at as far as compensation and benefits, but it won't be for long (maybe 10 more years?)

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There was still not that long ago an incredible amount of innovative companies and products in Europe. But at that time companies were still built for their home markets first and on that regard the USA is big and unified. Since software is mostly winner takes all it means that when the USA companies came to Europe they had already won the USA and could steamroll the local competition There is for example no way a sw…

I like your points and agree on your conclusion. Further, I would like to add a few ideas: - innovation in Europe can only scale if we achieve a higher degree of unity in Europe, including one common language, one common jurisdiction and law framework. Localization is just too expensive in Europe and hinders scaling. - a certain degree of protectionism is good. I am a big fan of how China made it. They have a really…

> - innovation in Europe can only scale if we achieve a higher degree of unity in Europe, including one common language, one common jurisdiction and law framework. Localization is just too expensive in Europe and hinders scaling.

Can't overstate how important this is. India is slowly coming to terms with adopting English (instead of Hindi) as the lingua franca - it has been a reliable economic mobility driver for millions of people. More European states might do well by adopting a bilingual/trilingual approach to expand economic opportunities for the population. I think parts of Scandinavia already manage to do this quite well.

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