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Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might be the general fear present in some Amazon corp offices? (PIP stories, etc.)

> general fear present I don't know about this. Is it documented, or have you "heard it through the grapevine," so-to-speak?

Just the minority of people who had bad experiences and shared them. Stack ranking almost always creates such environments.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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3 of the things most people miss is

A) The intersection between people who love books and love technology is rather small

B) There is no 'monetization ramp up' when producing products for books and publishing

Monetization if you are a startup in books and publishing is via either

Amazon Associate - However, Amazon will kick you out if they want to enter the same business

Example: https://the-digital-reader.com/2016/06/15/amazon-brings-the-...

Selling Ads to Authors & Publishers - However Amazon will manipulate results

Example: https://the-digital-reader.com/2017/11/22/amazon-now-punishi...

so there is no easy path

Contrast that with something like Apps or Shopping where you can use affiliate networks and monetize right from the start. And a competitor like Google doesn't have control over the Affiliate networks (which in books, Amazon has)

C) Most authors are not tech savvy and keep doing crazy things like giving exclusivity to one store and create monopolies. They then get screwed by these monopolies

Why would you step into a market where

A) The competitors are monopolists who have no compulsion against doing illegal things

B) The participants (authors and Publishers) are in the 1950s technology wise

C) The participants (authors and publishers) keep doing strange stuff like give one ebook store exclusivity

CONTRAST what happened with Apps versus what happened with Books

Apps

Amazon wanted pricing control of apps and exclusivity. Developers gave them the middle finger

Amazon tried unlimited apps (including unlimited IAP purchases if you are on subscription) and developers didn't play along. They had to close down the service

Books

There were FIVE major stores - Kindle, Sony, Apple, B&N, Kobo

Amazon offered exclusivity to authors in return for (the comically bad incentive) - allowed to make book free for 5 days every 90 days, allowed to discount book as a special Kindle Countdown Deal for 7 days every 90 days

Authors gave Amazon exclusivity. Helped it get from 30-40% market share to 60-70% market share

Now completely dependent on Amazon

Kindle Unlimited - Amazon won't give authors and publishers data on how many people borrow, etc. Only 'total number of pages read'

Authors play along and now many are completely dependent on income from this 'subscription service' where they don't even know how many readers downloaded their book, how many read X% etc. Just one vague metric of 'total pages read by all readers'

So, to do well in this market you are suited for it IF

A) Your default is to take advantage of authors and publishers

OR

treat them like naive sheep who don't understand the basics of business

B) You are willing to go up against a large monopoly that will also do illegal things without remorse

Amazon just hired Keith Alexander - head of NSA during warrantless surveillance

Do you really want to compete against that?

C) somehow bridge the gap between books and publishing and technology

while keeping in mind that most of the top quality supply is controlled by 5 large companies (the Big 5 very big publishers)

You would be hard pressed to find ANY business to go into that is worse

The saying - An intelligent enemy is better than a stupid friend

This is an ecosystem where - your friends are naive (in effect, clueless), and your enemies are stupid (doing all sorts of illegal things because they are a monopoly and know the US does @#$$-all to monopoly power abusing companies

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

#143

Everyone's talking about recommendations. I don't use GoodReads recommendations at all. It's a social network with a focus on books where people will actually read and discuss books and book reviews. It's also a good way of chronicling what books you read. I wish they'd focus more on that part.

ditto. There's already too many books to read and recommendations everywhere.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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post #104

If one has to build a Goodreads competition, How can one go about getting books data, book cover images etc ?

The Google Books API might be a good starting place. https://developers.google.com/books/

I think building project around such obscure Google API is too much of risk. It's can be discontinued literally any moment.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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post #128
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why take 60% of the rating space up by negative ratings? It seems like what you really care about is degrees of goodness. An alternative approach: 1 - I disliked it. 2 - It's OK 3 - This is good 4 - This is great 5 - This is a must-read

It's the problem with star systems, which is that we'll always have different definitions. Your 3s are living next to the other poster's 3s and mean very different things. That said, I think the world has also suffered from ratings inflation. I tend to assume anything under a 4 means "bad" or "meh" myself.

Bigger numbers don't help much either, rating systems out of 10 tend towards anything under an 8 or maybe a 7 being average.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

#146

I am a Goodreads employee. this is a burner account. i could be fired for posting. we love Goodreads and we know it is bad today. we are working to fix it. there are very few of us. we are trying. we are making big changes soon.

The way this is phrased is odd and makes me question the company culture. There is nothing in the content of your post that could be deemed as fireable by any reasonable person so I am left to conclude the work environment is a hostile one.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

#147

My problem with Goodreads isn't the recommendations engine. The recommendations are fine. I'm actually skeptical that any ML recommendation engine is going to recommend better books than my friends will. The only thing I expect from a recommendation engine is discovery , by which I mean finding new things that neither I nor my friends have read that look interesting. Whether they're good is another story altogether..…

Really? GoodReads reviews have devolved to complete garbage. The first few pages of reviews are always from the same people trying to be GoodReads famous. Everyone gives everything 5-star reviews because they get more likes for positive reviews. The user reviews mean nothing. I'd like to have a way to see what people actually think about books. But on GoodReads that's almost impossible to find. I'm surprised there is…

In my experience this really depends on genre. Some sub-genres are absolutely awful in this regard, while others are pretty good. In my experience, reviews on a lot of postmodern books are good as long as you mentally filter out reviews which are basically "I didn't want to read a postmodern book" :).

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

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The most important feature of goodreads for me is: https://www.goodreads.com/new_releases/2020/9 This shows you new releases of authors whose books you have read.

The recommendations basically crapped out on me after a few hundred books. It seems there are a few cliques (graph) of recommendations that are pretty independent and if you have read these cliques in a genre recommendations just suck.

But plz give me some query syntax like https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/lwef/-search-... and most importantly the ability to filter out certain tags.

Re: I Want to Fix Goodreads

#150
I love goodreads, but I've wished for so long for two things way more basic than good recommendations which I don't really care about (except the finding people with similar ratings, I would kill for that):

- Proper search engine (all books with x+ ratings, rated y+ start, in genre z). From what I've heard one has to scrape the site to get any useful information. - Forbidding rated reviews before release dates. This seriously skews ratings for some genres and is insanely annoying.

Okay maybe three... managing shelves is super slow. I want to be able to drag and drop and have things instantly re-ordered without a reload.

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