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Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Doesn't seem to happen on Android.

My previous experience with the PlayStore might have been different than yours. In the context of this guideline and other user focused non-tracking/permissions related things, the PlayStore is “already at bottom”.

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Sort of. Apple's recommendations are handled on-device. It's great for security, but the downside is that Apple News on my iPhone and Apple News on my computer don't have the same list of publications I dislike.

That's genius! Apple avoided developing synchronization of user data and got good PR for doing that. I'm gonna try that with my clients. "Sir, I wont aggregate your store's point of sale data because it's more secure if the data never leaves the store. Now pay me a premium for the added security, thanks."

Try it, it might do some good.

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Thats a good thing. Can Apple guarantee that they themselves are not tracking their users' app preferences/behaviour either?

Of course they can’t guarantee it. The best they could do is give users the ability to block all internet access in an app. Currently you can only block an app from using cellular data.

Interestingly in China you can block all network access…

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I remember ios 5 I think brought app permissions. Essentially say app A should not get location or contacts and put this behind a password. The app couldnt do shit. Then android after late got some permissions but its still lame IMO. App can deny you access without a permission. A recent thing I have seen on android is permission protection or whatever. The system gives dummy or no access to the contacts for example…

Correction: iOS has had permissions at least for as long as apps were allowed and more permissions were added over time. Screenshot in the Camera section of this iPhoneOS 2 review: https://www.imore.com/iphone-os-2-review

I find it very interesting that Maps is asking for permission to access your location.

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> Furthermore you can skip ads on YouTube after a 5-second timer For me, that only really happens these days with mid-video ads (and even then it's happening less frequently despite the number of mid-video ads increasing.) Most of this week I've had double unskippable ads at the front of many videos and they're generally 60+ seconds combined.

You can, you know, pay for the service (be the customer and not the product) and not see any ads

That's not how you avoid being the product

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Doesn't youtube, with its ads, violate this policy?

When it comes to YouTube the waters are muddy. The YouTube app is just a client to a third-party web service (whose functionality falls outside of App Store rules); so in this case it can be argued that the "functionality" of the app is just the client functionality and not the content itself. Furthermore you can skip ads on YouTube after a 5-second timer, so this seems reasonably fair, though I would still not insta…

Google banning every ios and macos user from accessing everything from google.com To their gmail to youtube is a completely foreseeable counter reaction if apple chooses to limit youtube due to ads.

Both companies will lose, of course, but Google has a hell of a lot more web traffic to its content than Apple does.

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Do you think you can fight this out in court against Apple?

Are individuals taken to court over it for "misusing" their Macbooks?

No, they just get repairs and warranty refused at large monetary cost to them.

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You can, you know, pay for the service (be the customer and not the product) and not see any ads

I don’t know about where you live, it’s the most expensive streaming platform here. Not worth the money for occasional watching of things people share at work. Also seeing more unskippable ads lately and it’s incredibly annoying.

Youtube has two offerings: an ad-free version of youtube, and a version that shows a whole bunch of live local (and national) tv channels. The latter is close to 5X the cost of the former and is, I suspect, what you are thinking of.

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I find that policy entirely acceptable, for the same reasons I think shrink-wrap EULAs should be illegal. This makes me curious about Apple and iOS / OS X. Does Apple try to require that the user accepts an EULA for the OS after buying Apple hardware?

IIRC the existence of such an EULA includes a clause which was the reason behind Apple's successful court case against a company who was selling pre assembled and configured Hackintosh boxes. (Does anyone remember what the name of the company was? It was like 2007-9 or something) IMHO that EULA's main purpose atm is to tell you that you can only install MacOS on, and I quote, an 'Apple-branded computer'. This led to…

I suspect the reason Apple went after the more recent "hackintosh" brigade is because they were seeing a repetition of a bad experience they had before when Apple officially permitted OEM manufacturing of compatible "clone" computers back in the 90s.

The official 90s clones ended badly because the OEMs were cutting corners as part of a race to the bottom on pricing. This led to shit hardware which led to a shit customer experience. Which meant Apple took back control and killed off the official clone industry.

There are videos on YouTube of Steve Jobs talking (during informal interviews, not corporate statements) about the importance to both him personally and Apple of the entire customer experience (hardware and software). Its not from a perspective of monopoly. Its from a perspective of quality of the overall experience. That's what all the dumb Apple bashers fail to understand.

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When it comes to YouTube the waters are muddy. The YouTube app is just a client to a third-party web service (whose functionality falls outside of App Store rules); so in this case it can be argued that the "functionality" of the app is just the client functionality and not the content itself. Furthermore you can skip ads on YouTube after a 5-second timer, so this seems reasonably fair, though I would still not insta…

That seems like a pretty big loophole if applied. Taken to the logical extreme, one could make an app that streams raw user inputs to a server and streams back a video output and be allowed to do whatever they like (albeit with horrendous performance).

Hey, you just described Stadia!
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