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Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by abalaji »

Nextgrid wrote: post #174
austhrow743 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to the same effect. It means if developers don’t want to play by Apple’s rules they don’t have to completely surrender the iOS market. A big enough name could just direct users to the third party App Store.

I would definitely expect a "Facebook Store" to appear if side-loading was allowed which would not only host the Facebook app itself but also provide a safe haven for all of the privacy-violating crap (in fact I'd argue that their review process would require your app to contain the FB SDK for it to be accepted).

That’s an unconvincing argument, why don’t we see a FB Store on Android?

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by lern_too_spel »

threeseed wrote: post #160
lern_too_spel wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pretty sure... Now you know that you were wrong. Windows allows you to disable telemetry and certainly doesn't report apps you install to Microsoft if you don't want it to. Same for Android and obviously for desktop and server Linux distros. This is simply not possible on iOS.

You can install apps on iOS without using the store. And if you are willing to jailbreak then you have the full suite.

> You can install apps on iOS without using the store.

Not without reinstalling weekly unless you reduce your privacy even further by also give Apple your banking details.

> And if you are willing to jailbreak then you have the full suite.

On these other platforms, you don't have to rely on your device being so insecure that it has a rootable vulnerability.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by hawkoy »

ooobit2 wrote: post #149
Ma8ee wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of a US visa, which is far from free, and you pay for applying whether you is granted it or not. It allows you travel to a border control and ask to be let in. They can refuse you without explanation.

Oh, let's not with my country. We're also the only nation in the world that requires its abroad citizens to pay the same tax rates domestic citizens pay, and only offers a credit-basis for exempting income that you paid taxes on to the country you reside in. It's the reason nearly all US citizens who move overseas eventually give up their citizenship. My great aunt left for Poland 30 years ago, and renounced her citi…

For anyone who didn't believe above and wanted to verify: https://www.americansabroad.org/us-taxes-abroad-for-dummies-...

And US isn't alone nation in this.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by redxdev »

JiNCMG wrote: post #187
Nextgrid wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would definitely expect a "Facebook Store" to appear if side-loading was allowed which would not only host the Facebook app itself but also provide a safe haven for all of the privacy-violating crap (in fact I'd argue that their review process would require your app to contain the FB SDK for it to be accepted).

Just as bad is the puppet master behind Epic... Tencent. They are dying to get all of their WeChat apps into iOS.

Christ, what is with people thinking Tencent is behind Epic? They don't have a majority stake in Epic - Tim Sweeney does. There's zero evidence that anything Epic has done and is doing is driven by Tencent.

Maybe argue about what Epic is doing based on its own merits, rather than some baseless conspiracy about Tencent.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

abalaji wrote: post #191
Nextgrid wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would definitely expect a "Facebook Store" to appear if side-loading was allowed which would not only host the Facebook app itself but also provide a safe haven for all of the privacy-violating crap (in fact I'd argue that their review process would require your app to contain the FB SDK for it to be accepted).

That’s an unconvincing argument, why don’t we see a FB Store on Android?

Because the Android store does not even attempt to block their privacy shenanigans.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

hamandcheese wrote: post #154
m3kw9 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No 3rd party apps stores will not guarantee my one click subscription cancelation Like Apple does, for example

The existence of a third party App Store doesn’t prevent you from voting with your feet and sticking with Apples App Store, if that’s a valuable feature to you.

A unregulated market for toys won’t prevent you from buying lead free toys if that’s a valuable feature to you.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by a1369209993 »

dathinab wrote: post #28
Nextgrid wrote: post #3

Full text of the clause: > 3.2.2 Unacceptable > (vi) Apps should allow a user to get what they’ve paid for without performing additional tasks, such as posting on social media, uploading contacts, checking in to the app a certain number of times, etc. Apps should not require users to rate the app, review the app, watch videos, download other apps, tap on advertisements, enable tracking, or take other similar actions…

But this also excludes letting the user chose between either watching ads or paying for the content. A not very well working but reasonable business model. Why is it incompatible? Because getting access to normally payed-extra-for content by watching apps means receiving a "monetary or other compensation"

> this also excludes letting the user chose between either watching ads or paying for the content.

Good. They should clairify that content not available by paying also counts as "monetary or other compensation" for watching ads.

Advertising delenda est.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by matheusmoreira »

gerash wrote: post #113
zimpenfish wrote: post #80

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> Furthermore you can skip ads on YouTube after a 5-second timer For me, that only really happens these days with mid-video ads (and even then it's happening less frequently despite the number of mid-video ads increasing.) Most of this week I've had double unskippable ads at the front of many videos and they're generally 60+ seconds combined.

You can, you know, pay for the service (be the customer and not the product) and not see any ads

People should simply install uBlock Origin instead.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

jtsiskin wrote: post #7
Nextgrid wrote: post #3

Full text of the clause: > 3.2.2 Unacceptable > (vi) Apps should allow a user to get what they’ve paid for without performing additional tasks, such as posting on social media, uploading contacts, checking in to the app a certain number of times, etc. Apps should not require users to rate the app, review the app, watch videos, download other apps, tap on advertisements, enable tracking, or take other similar actions…

The clause starts with "get what they've paid for" - does this apply to free apps?

You get what pay for with free garbage too.

Re: Apple: Apps should not require users to opt into tracking to access content

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Post by saganus »

hawkoy wrote: post #193
ooobit2 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, let's not with my country. We're also the only nation in the world that requires its abroad citizens to pay the same tax rates domestic citizens pay, and only offers a credit-basis for exempting income that you paid taxes on to the country you reside in. It's the reason nearly all US citizens who move overseas eventually give up their citizenship. My great aunt left for Poland 30 years ago, and renounced her citi…

For anyone who didn't believe above and wanted to verify: https://www.americansabroad.org/us-taxes-abroad-for-dummies-... And US isn't alone nation in this.

Any idea on where I could read more about this? in particular, what happens to people with two nationalities (i.e. US + another one)?
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