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AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by andoriyu »

sprayk wrote: post #27
jonpurdy wrote: post #17

It was already a dire situation running a Mac with eGPU or a Hackintosh even before the RTX 30-series announcement, and much more dire after that. The likeliness of Apple allowing NVIDIA to produce Mac drivers again is close to zero. It’d be nice for AMD to be able to compete with GPUs again.

What do you even do with a GPU on a Mac these days? I guess there are a decent amount of games now, but it seems like it'd be mostly limited to "creative" stuff since CUDA is out of the question. Imagine how much more dire it's going to get once Apple has ditched Intel. Are they going to continue using third-party, discrete GPUs? You definitely won't be able to use one off the shelf (at least without flashing the car…

You need to watch youtube these days.

Intel integrated GPU has a huge downside in laptops - offloading to it causes it to heat up and since, so close to the CPU...CPU gets heavily thermal throttled. That's true for any laptop that isn't inch or more thiccc.

Also, Apple will be switching to their own GPU in a few years.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by username90 »

dang wrote: post #176

This is an announcement of an announcement. Those are off topic here. There's no harm in waiting. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

This announcement of an announcement is very important for people looking to buy a GPU now.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by kllrnohj »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #119
zamalek wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I'm personally hoping to complete my current build as a "Red Box" (AMD CPU, AMD GPU). However, facts are facts. DLSS 1.9 was impressive, but has its problems and would understandably be avoided by most gamers. DLSS 2 is a whole different story[1], and is highly likely to be something that most gamers enable. 4K/60 or 1440p/240 are the golden standards for PC gamers (depending on whether you prefer high re…

DLSS and RTX are still game specific, with very few games that have developed for them. It has been a generation, if there was going to be a big flood of DLSS and RTX titles, it would have happened already.

> DLSS and RTX are still game specific

Note that DLSS 2.0's model is not game specific ( https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-dlss-2-0-a-... )

DLSS support is still game specific as it needs additional data beyond just the color buffer to do the up-scaling, such as motion vectors, but it at least doesn't need the expensive part that put it out of reach of eg. indie games.

So it's now on the "if unity & unreal support it, you'll see everyone have it in a few years" trajectory. Probably, anyway, similar to things like TXAA & FXAA.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by ziml77 »

travisporter wrote: post #141
ziml77 wrote: post #50

I wonder if Zen 3 will finally let AMD pass Intel in single threaded performance. I thought they had already, but just a few days ago I checked benchmarks and saw that my 8086K still beats a 3800XT. Though maybe I'm stuck in the past a bit thinking that single threaded performance is even still important for games.

If you're referring to userbenchmark, I think you should be weary. For instance, it shows 0% improvement from a 9700K to a 10700K, and only a 4% improvement from a 7700K https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-9700K-vs... https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs...

userbenchmark is garbage. I was checking PassMark's site

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by kllrnohj »

Klinky wrote: post #79
tmpz22 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on price. Nvidia might have owned the tippity top with their 20xx series but the 5700xt was a very strong card for medium priced builds and as a pc building enthusiast would’ve been the card for my next build alongside an amdR5 3600 cpu. At launch it had driver issues but they were cleaned up and at $350 it was a total steal compared to a 2070 at $650 for similar performance.

I agree. They don't need to beat the 3080, they just need to match or beat the 3070 at a competitive price. I would say the majority of the market does not have $700 to blow on a GPU. Having compelling options under $500 would be enough of a win.

That's what AMD has been doing and it hasn't really worked out. While all the market sales are at the mid range price point, all the youtubers & lust worthy builds that drive mind-share are not. And marketing works, it's why you'll see basically nothing but Nvidia on the steam stats page despite how competitive the 5700 (xt) was.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...

The chart toppers are the mid range cards (1060, 1050 Ti, 1050), exactly as you'd expect. But what you then might not expect is that the 1070 and 1080 are both still higher than any AMD offering. There's almost as many 2070 SUPER's ($600) as there are RX 580s ($230 @ launch, currently sub-$200), AMD's most popular GPU among Steam users.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by ziml77 »

StillBored wrote: post #87
ziml77 wrote: post #50

I wonder if Zen 3 will finally let AMD pass Intel in single threaded performance. I thought they had already, but just a few days ago I checked benchmarks and saw that my 8086K still beats a 3800XT. Though maybe I'm stuck in the past a bit thinking that single threaded performance is even still important for games.

Its not just games, firefox with ublock+ and a dark mode plugin are noticeably faster on fast single threaded machines.

I was going to add "and typical PC tasks" but ended up taking it out because everyone's version of typical on a PC is different.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by ziml77 »

Klinky wrote: post #121
ziml77 wrote: post #50

I wonder if Zen 3 will finally let AMD pass Intel in single threaded performance. I thought they had already, but just a few days ago I checked benchmarks and saw that my 8086K still beats a 3800XT. Though maybe I'm stuck in the past a bit thinking that single threaded performance is even still important for games.

Yes single threaded perf is still important, but really only if you have top-end GPUs. 8 - 12 threads is where multi-threaded gaming gains seem to wane at bit, which might make sense given last console cycle's architectural optimizations. Once you're at 8 - 12 threads frequency starts becoming more important. Most recent Intel K CPUs can hit 5GHz+. The 10900K is still the best performing gaming CPU out there, and 808…

Where do you consider the top-end to start in Nvidia's lineup? I know that gets a bit awkward to answer since we're not far from being able to buy 30xx cards, so probably best to just pretend we don't know about those for this question.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by dang »

username90 wrote: post #182
dang wrote: post #176

This is an announcement of an announcement. Those are off topic here. There's no harm in waiting. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

This announcement of an announcement is very important for people looking to buy a GPU now.

Fair point, but we have to go for the global optimum, which is having the most interesting front page. That means sacrificing local optima, so you may be right that there isn't zero harm in waiting. Most of the people you mention (at least the ones who read HN) are probably googling for GPU information, though, so I doubt there will be too many GPU purchase disasters.

The trouble with "announcement of an announcement" posts isn't just that they're unsubstantive and lead to generic discussions (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...). It's also that when the real announcement is made, we end up with a duplicate thread.

I suppose this follows from the competing interests of the publishers and this forum. Their interest is to copy the same information to as many places as possible; our interest is to deduplicate it.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by axaxs »

jdmichal wrote: post #85
packetlost wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not super interested in Linux gaming, I just want my desktop to be usable.

Honest question: If you're not interested in gaming, why even get a discrete GPU and not an integrated one? Are you interested in using it for other purposes?

I can answer this question from my own perspective, at least. CPUs with integrated graphics are not as fast as standalone historically. Compare say, a ryzen 3600 to a 3400G.

Passmark below:

3400G: 9425

3600: 17850

for fun

1600: 12444

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