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Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by jayflux » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:10 PM UTC

PedroBatista wrote: post #6

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

I don’t think AMD need to kick Nvidia’s ass to be successful or even competetive.

If they can land a decent GPU that’s between the 3080 and 3090 for an affordable price people will buy it.

They don’t need to beat the 3090 to win, I think that ship has sailed, let Nvidia have the high end market, there’s still plenty of space in the midrange, low end to succeed.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by srtjstjsj » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:10 PM UTC

Severian wrote: post #32

Besides processors, AMD knows how to design a good hype train.

They are masters of the hype cycle. The hype bicycle, nowadays.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by steffan » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:11 PM UTC

PedroBatista wrote: post #6

Rumor has it AMD has a competitive GPU but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots, they can make much more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU one ( due to area size and yield ) But I really hope I'm wrong and they kick Nvidia ass since they become such intolerable arrogant anti-competitive pricks in the last +10 years.

> but will not pursue the high-end market mostly because of their limited TSMC slots

Your second assertion that they can make more money from a CPU wafer than a GPU is probably correct, but assuming they don't abandon the GPU market entirely, they will still be using fab capacity to produce GPUs.

If they're using limited slots for GPUs anyway, doesn't it make sense to focus on the high-end high-margin parts first?

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by dtx1 » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:12 PM UTC

lreeves wrote: post #61

dtx1 wrote: post #20

As a linux-only user (and gamer), nvidia is a plain no-go for me so i just hope that rdna2 is not entirely disappointing like RDNA1 was. For us Linux gamers a working VFIO on a consumer card would be a dream of course since nvidia is locking that to their workstations cards, maybe AMD just throws it in as a goody. Zen3 is propably gonna kick-butt, especially in any non-gaming task perhaps AMD will inch closer to Inte…

I have had perfect working VFIO setups with both the 1070 and 1080ti from nVidia, there are many comprehensive guides and working around the driver error code 43 is quite trivial.

That's nice but an error thats designed to fuck me as a customer is a good reason not to buy from that company, and the general state of nvidia drivers on linux makes me not want to chose them for a new build. Nonetheless, i'm glad to hear you got it working, it sure is a fun thing to do.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by jdmichal » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:12 PM UTC

packetlost wrote: post #74

shmerl wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMD is great for gaming on Linux, especially with projects like radv and ACO.

I'm not super interested in Linux gaming, I just want my desktop to be usable.

Honest question: If you're not interested in gaming, why even get a discrete GPU and not an integrated one? Are you interested in using it for other purposes?

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by dtx1 » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:13 PM UTC

hrgiger wrote: post #72

reyqn wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't SR-IOV support (which is rumored in nvidia's chips) make vfio on this kind of setup possible?

VFIO is already possible with amd if you have supporting hardware i.e. i was running single vega guest windows guest and linux furyx host on tr4 board but with sr-iov you could run many guests using same gpu, i think stadia uses this now. There were also rumor that vega has sr iov but disabled on hardware

Uh, yeah you are right i meant SR-IOV

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by StillBored » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:13 PM UTC

ziml77 wrote: post #50

I wonder if Zen 3 will finally let AMD pass Intel in single threaded performance. I thought they had already, but just a few days ago I checked benchmarks and saw that my 8086K still beats a 3800XT. Though maybe I'm stuck in the past a bit thinking that single threaded performance is even still important for games.

Its not just games, firefox with ublock+ and a dark mode plugin are noticeably faster on fast single threaded machines.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by packetlost » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:16 PM UTC

jdmichal wrote: post #85

packetlost wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not super interested in Linux gaming, I just want my desktop to be usable.

Honest question: If you're not interested in gaming, why even get a discrete GPU and not an integrated one? Are you interested in using it for other purposes?

I dual boot Windows for gaming. I work and code on Linux, except my monitor setup + nvidia graphics card results in a virtually unusable desktop. Integrated graphics can't run multiple 4k screens very well, if at all.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by swalsh » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:18 PM UTC

I recently bought a Ryzen 3900X. I hope Linux eventually supports these processors better. There has been some serious stabilization issues I eventually tracked down to being related to my processor. These issues required me to spend a significant amount of time researching. Things seem to just work with Intel processors. I'm hoping as popularity increases support for these processors will improve.

Re: AMD Announces Ryzen “Zen 3” and Radeon “RDNA2” Presentations for October

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Post by garblegarble » Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 3:20 PM UTC

swalsh wrote: post #89

I recently bought a Ryzen 3900X. I hope Linux eventually supports these processors better. There has been some serious stabilization issues I eventually tracked down to being related to my processor. These issues required me to spend a significant amount of time researching. Things seem to just work with Intel processors. I'm hoping as popularity increases support for these processors will improve.

>serious stabilization issues

Care to go into more detail? I've just installed a server with a 3700X and the only issues I've experienced have been that I need a custom kernel module in order to get CPU temperature and power data (zenpower)