This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…
Good old greedy Epic that wants to take the 30% industry standard platform cut to fatten their bottom line and spin it as an anti-monopoly thing.
Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
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The consequence isn't that your 3DS would have been better upon releasing, its that it wouldn't have released if the console market had been required to operate this way.
And again, I'm sympathetic to that argument. But then don't argue that the iPhone is exactly the same. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Apple would stop producing the iPhone if sideloading was allowed. The smartphone market doesn't operate the same way as the console market.
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#303How is this not Anti-Competitive behavior? "If you go up against us, we will take away your users and thus your source of income." Seems cut and dry to me.
Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#304This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…
What needs to happen is that Apple and the App Store become separate companies, and other companies are also allowed to sell apps on iOS devices. Restrictive walled gardens like this need to be banned.
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And again, I'm sympathetic to that argument. But then don't argue that the iPhone is exactly the same. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Apple would stop producing the iPhone if sideloading was allowed. The smartphone market doesn't operate the same way as the console market.
Minor point: sideloading is allowed, but requires you pay Apple their yearly developer tax.
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#306We already had a single Nintendo Switch that they both shared, so we let them spend the money they saved to split the cost & buy a second Switch lite so that they can both still play together. After getting used to haptic joystick controls, they much prefer them to touch controls.
They both now say "I hate Apple". They didn't get that from me: I think both companies are engaged in an arms race of their own self interest, and have explained the issue to my kids as being about both companies wanting to make money. Something like this:
"Apple created a store and wants people who sell items in the store to share money from their sales, which is the way stores generally work. Epic thinks that Apple & Google take way too much of that money and Epic wants to keep more of that money, though they are willing to let users get some saving too."
They both still hate Apple now, and when my daughter did pick up her iPad for the first time in days, she was afraid to spend her money on a different game she wanted because she thought Apple might take it away. (She's 7... she also kicks my --s in Fortnite. I'm smart, and decades of practice mean I pickup videogames fast enough to be above average in any new game. She is better & smarter than me in every way. I work in data science, and I'm half convinced that if I taught her the basics of SQL, python, R and a few presentation-layer reporting technologies, she could do my job in an hour of her free time each day. But, you know, child labor laws.)
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#307I got drive-by downvotes from Apple fanbois for saying this in a previous thread, but I think this could actually have a significant impact on the iOS user base in the long term. I'd wager that a significant portion of iOS's user acquisition funnel is children for whom Fortnite is a requirement. All those kids will be throwing tantrums until their parents get them an Android device.
I seriously doubt that. Apple hardware has always been more about being a status symbol then utility. To the average Apple user it's just not cool enough if it isn't availble on Apple hardware. Even looking back I'm still surprised how effectively Apple polarized people into fans vs haters after steve jobs rejoined back then...
It’s never been about a status symbol for me. I don’t regret switching to Apple 20 years ago and the very little amount of time I spend fighting the OS to do what I need it to on a daily basis.
If anything, I have to put up with schmucks telling me I bought apple hardware for looks more than I enjoy any sort of status symbol for owning it.
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#308Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11
#309I got drive-by downvotes from Apple fanbois for saying this in a previous thread, but I think this could actually have a significant impact on the iOS user base in the long term. I'd wager that a significant portion of iOS's user acquisition funnel is children for whom Fortnite is a requirement. All those kids will be throwing tantrums until their parents get them an Android device.
I seriously doubt that. Apple hardware has always been more about being a status symbol then utility. To the average Apple user it's just not cool enough if it isn't availble on Apple hardware. Even looking back I'm still surprised how effectively Apple polarized people into fans vs haters after steve jobs rejoined back then...
My problem is that Apple’s mobile silicon is better (for me) than anything I can get running android. The A13 alone keeps me buying Apple mobile hardware, there’s no real competition at the high end for performance.
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They broke the TOS on purpose and are now crying about that Apple actually held the line. I think Apple is way overpriced too, but when you go into their ecosystem and profit on it - you have to play by the rules. If you break the rules, you get removed. I would expect the same treatment on any app store.
Why do people show Apple's ToS so much deference but then (rightfully) shit on all other ToSes by other people? ToSes suck. Most people don't even read them. I'm sure big companies like Epic have lawyers that do actually read them, but still, it's not like you have a choice in the matter. You can't just not publish on the biggest mobile market. The ToS isn't a negotiation, it's just a big monopoly owner exerting thei…
Even at much smaller scale, you may need someone more than they need you, and they will negotiate like it - for legal and commercial terms.
Also, terms of service are usually negotiable - presuming you're worth negotiating with. GE has no problem negotiating with Google - you as an individual might have to take what their standard is.