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Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by withinboredom »

giovannibajo1 wrote: post #230
rapind wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if they could just make that an option on purchase? “Do you want us to enforce security and privacy or do you want to take that on yourself?”. I for one would opt for handling my own privacy on some of my own devices, but would definitely lock my kids down with Apple approved only option.

The point is that people would follow YouTube videos that promise CRACKED SPOTIFY to change that choice so that they can download a copy of a cracked version of Spotify filled with malware. That in turns reflects badly with Apple because it would be assumed that the platform is not secured and cannot be trusted with private / sensitive data (both in B2C and B2B settings). If anything, I think we should at least agree…

> I think we should at least agree that it’s Apple’s choice whether run this risk or not on their own product

It's not "their" product. It's mine, I purchased a license to use their software on my hardware. I'm not beholden to continue using their software

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by mthoms »

fxtentacle wrote: post #213
gamblor956 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike Apple, larger developers can use their market leverage to negotiate better rates, and many have, which is why you don't hear Epic or Rockstar complaining about MS or Sony. This point is key to the difference, since antitrust is about market interference. If market participants can use their own leverage to push back against another participant's market activities, then you don't have an antitrust violation. Ap…

MS doesn't require Xbox developers to use their IAP API. Most do, but that's just because it's so convenient for the players.

As a non-console owner, this news is certainly new to me.

It seems to run counter to everything I've heard when people compare the iOS ecosystem to consoles. Where can I learn more?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by m3kw9 »

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

Epic violates the terms purposely, which is lack of a better term, a challenge. Is like committing a crime(challenge the law) and complaining being punished

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by lolsal »

drenvuk wrote: post #260

I don't get why on Hackernews anyone would ever defend Apple here. Regardless of whether they're right to do this if Epic wins their court case against them we stand to gain the most benefit. Apple's incredibly high walled garden is honestly the scariest thing for me. If I develop for windows I can simply distribute my application on my site easily. With Android I can tell people to download from F-Droid if necessary…

> Epic caused their own pain here, sure but What other way can we actually get a semi open platform that we're not being taxed on?

As an Apple user, the whole point here is that it's not an open system.

I just can't get riled up over a developer not following the rules of a platform. I use Apple because the Apple ecosystem is valuable to me - the store, the SSO, the Apple ID, the UI/UX, the hardware - all of it. I don't care about Epic or any other developer that doesn't want to play nice with that ecosystem. Those kinds of developers don't have any value to me.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by schmichael »

paulpan wrote: post #270
fxtentacle wrote: post #205

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I can't help but think that the whole thing is playing out exactly like Epic had hoped. After Apple kicked Fortnite from the iOS store, there was an outcry of people who had previously spent money on it through Apple's in-app purchases and now wanted a refund. Some of those users switched to playing Fortnite on a laptop or Android phone instead, but of course they were still using Sign in with Apple if they had origi…

I think Epic absolutely needs other major game studios, and major software companies, to join in their protest to effect the desired change. Interesting point about the looming iOS14 update. Makes you wonder whether Apple will ultimately fall at their privacy sword, similar to how Google fell at its own "Don't do evil" motto. E.g. it's meaningless bravado when not applied to universally to all countries, aka China.

I wish Mozilla would join them by publishing a Firefox for iOS with their own renderer and Javascript (which they have been prevented from doing). Get booted and join the lawsuit. That's the activist Mozilla I can get behind.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by jonny_eh »

reaperducer wrote: post #258
aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business It’s the hazards of building your business on another company’s foundation. There are millions of companies completely dependent on Apple, Amazon, or another organization. In tech terms, it goes back to affiliate marketing days. In real world terms, it goes back centuries. No leader should make his company dependent on another company, but it happens all t…

So the government shut you down? Shouldn't have built your company in that country.

Blame the victim.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by m3kw9 »

sandstrom wrote: post #2

Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside. But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users. Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...

How childish is saying Apple doesn’t like Epic. They violated the terms, they wanted all this to happen and expected it. No one should be surprised they planned this months ahead

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by lolsal »

bmarquez wrote: post #11

This just makes it risky for the consumer to rely on 'Sign in with Apple', especially for cross-platform applications. I found it extremely convenient especially from a privacy perspective (your name and email are hidden) but the risk I'll lose access to my accounts is too much.

> This just makes it risky for the consumer to rely on 'Sign in with Apple', especially for cross-platform applications.

The risk/reward cuts both ways. If a developer starts putting malware/whatever in their apps and Apple nukes their access to "Sign On With Apple" then it protects me as a user, and I value that.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by cryptica »

Games are often very low margin products, so it makes completely sense that Apple's one-size-fits all 30% fee wouldn't be suitable for a lot of companies. What doesn't make sense is how Apple got away with it for so long.

The ad '1984' by Apple has become the biggest, most hypocritical piece of propaganda every created.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by jhatemyjob »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #155
jhatemyjob wrote: post #135

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That analogy would make some modicum of sense but there is a flaw in your argument. Those are video game consoles. WHO GIVES A FUCK

Video game consoles (in terms of XBox and PS) are nothing more than same spec’d computers. They both (PS4 and up and XB1 and up) run on x86-64 for crying out loud. They just don’t look like a computer (in terms of openness), but the homebrew community has shown that they can be. So the comparison is pretty apt; Some are claiming phones are computers now, so why aren’t actual computers that have been walled up any dif…

What are you saying here exactly? arm64 CPUs aren't real CPUs?
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