read an article about waybackmachine , archive.org on hn few days back, will there be a copy on it ?
If its in SciHub, it's in Archive.org, just not accessible.
Dozens of scientific journals have vanished from the internet
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#13The predigital and national solution are laws requiring a a copy to be sent to the national library. What's the digital, and post-national solution?
In Norway you are required to allow the national library to archive your websites, but I assume there's a lot that's slipping through the cracks ...
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#14The article does not discuss sci-hub unfortunately. list of the 176 vanished is here: https://github.com/njahn82/vanished_journals/blob/master/Dis...
What would be really useful is to know the average citation count of these journals.
As someone who hates to see this stuff disappear, there is still a cynical person inside me that knows there are a glut of journals that are often used to bump publishing count for professors trying to get tenure.
That cynic inside of me also realizes that a subset of the journal business is a bit of a scam anyway since frequently authors have to pay the journals to include their paper and then the journals charge an exorbitant rate to get access. Have you tried to buy a journal article lately ($35 for one paper!) -- yeah, neither have I.
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#15The predigital and national solution are laws requiring a a copy to be sent to the national library. What's the digital, and post-national solution?
Yes, the same applies to newspapers and magazines online. We need a law demanding a legal digital deposit at least at the national level.
It is somewhat trivial to devise an API to be integrated in the publications pipelines to automatically and transparently submit new and modified articles to a central repository.
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#16Welcome to our new dark-aged ultra-tech future.
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
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#17There are archiving schemes in scholarly publishing such as LOCKSS and CLOCKSS. Not saying that they apply in this case, but YSK.
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#18This sounds like apologia from a big closed publisher (AAAS) explaining why open-access is supposedly bad. See, sometimes open-access journals fold, and when that happens, nobody knows what happens to the articles. But they'd like you to ignore two inconvenient facts: First, that traditional closed publishers effectively lose all articles by default by this metric! And second, that the Internet Archive, itself open-a…
This.
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#19In France we have HAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Articles_en_Ligne "Hyper Articles en Ligne, generally shortened to HAL, is an open archive where authors can deposit scholarly documents from all academic fields." I work at a university and I know library people and management check carefully that every paper we produce is deposited in HAL. Also: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_articles_en_ligne "Depuis…
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#20The article does not discuss sci-hub unfortunately. list of the 176 vanished is here: https://github.com/njahn82/vanished_journals/blob/master/Dis...
What would be really useful is to know the average citation count of these journals. As someone who hates to see this stuff disappear, there is still a cynical person inside me that knows there are a glut of journals that are often used to bump publishing count for professors trying to get tenure. That cynic inside of me also realizes that a subset of the journal business is a bit of a scam anyway since frequently au…
true and true. "Sci journals" are everything but science