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Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by ProAm »

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

> Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth,

Isn't this why people pay the Apple tax? To have them protect you (their users) from 'bad apples'? Everyone liked their over bearing approach to their eco-system until it directly affected them, and now it's too much? Have your cake and eat it too?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by alrs »

dazhbog wrote: post #24
zxcb1 wrote: post #5

Just installed Linux on my Mac; it felt like freedom.

Had alot of issues with power when i last tried Linux on a mac air.. Something with alot of interrupts firing and the linux kernel was using more power as a result. Thinking of wiping macos and putting windows pro only and using wsl or something. If anyone runs linux/win on mac hardware smoothly I want to know more details.

Sell your old mac and buy five comparable used Thinkpads?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by modeless »

RL_Quine wrote: post #21
modeless wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic alleges that Apple is breaking the law, and breaking the App Store rules was a pretty much required step to establish standing to sue. Is Apple above the legal system, such that they should be able to destroy businesses that dare to challenge them in court, regardless of the merits of their claims and before they are even heard?

Where does the marketing campaign fit into your story?

Epic has a customer base that won't understand the nuances of the case. If they didn't tell their story to their customers in a way they can understand, they would suffer a lot of damage to their reputation, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, because customers are being cut off from a product they enjoyed.

They will suffer reputation damage anyway, but they at least stand a chance of convincing some of their customers that they have a good reason for taking these actions.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by aclelland »

sandstrom wrote: post #2

Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside. But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users. Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...

It also shows that Apple really don't care about their customers and would rather stick it to Epic than continue to support the people who choose to use their login system.

If Apple wanted to show some goodwill towards the end users who were caught up in this mess they'd continue to allow them to log in or provide a migration path.

I wonder if this will be used against Apple in the future since it's clearly hurting people of they lose access to their game, progress and purchases.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by gpm »

Apple is doing it's absolute best to allow Epic to demonstrate irreparable harm in their motion for a preliminary injunction...

This is a curious decision considering that the primary distinction between the part of the temporary restraining order the court granted (against Apple interfering with unreal engine) and the part the court denied (against Apple interfering with fortnite) was that the court thought that Epic had demonstrated irreparable harm with respect to the former and not the latter.

I don't get it.

(Legalities note: A temporary restraining order is basically a "preliminary preliminary injunction", the same idea, but granted earlier and only lasts until the court rules on the actual preliminary injunction)

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by minhazm »

modeless wrote: post #19
RL_Quine wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.

Epic alleges that Apple is breaking the law, and breaking the App Store rules was a pretty much required step to establish standing to sue. Is Apple above the legal system, such that they should be able to destroy businesses that dare to challenge them in court, regardless of the merits of their claims and before they are even heard?

Your comment makes it sound it sound like Apple is breaking the law.

Epic could have brought on this lawsuit while still complying with the App Store rules, in fact the judge suggested they do that so their users aren't impacted. They wouldn't be getting kicked off right now and the Sign-in with Apple button wouldn't be getting disabled. They chose to break the app store rules, which they did agreed to, AND they also decided to sue Apple.

They could revert their app right now and Apple would restore their account and they could still continue their lawsuit. Epic is just weaponizing their user base in their fight against Apple.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by DivisionSol »

paulsmal wrote: post #12

Would be nice if Epic could join Valve in making Linux a better platform for games.

Epic has no interest in doing things that are for the good of average gamer. Just trying to slice of various pieces of pies, and Linux gaming is too small to care.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Post by gruez »

aboringusername wrote: post #6

This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

>tow the line

isn't the expression toe the line? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line#Misspelling_as_%2...

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