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Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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This just makes it risky for the consumer to rely on 'Sign in with Apple', especially for cross-platform applications.

I found it extremely convenient especially from a privacy perspective (your name and email are hidden) but the risk I'll lose access to my accounts is too much.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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This is exactly why I never use OAuth for any account unless it's a throw away account. I always assumed that it would be Google who first decides to push around their weight by removing login capabilities.

Can you sign into your account using an id and password?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

#14
It's always interesting to read the comments on articles about the Epic Games situation. We can have discussions about Apple's cut or how Apple operates their store but this is such a clear cut case that I'm honestly surprised so many HN readers are siding with Epic (or maybe it's just the anti-Apple crowd looking for any reason to crap on Apple).

Epic tried to get Apple to allow a whole new store on their platform AND allow Epic to do all its own CC processing. Apple said no and Epic flipped a switch to offer CC processing for Fortnite and so Apple removed the app and disabled the account. Part of that account access included the Sign in with Apple and so that is going away as well.

Epic isn't fighting for the little guy, they wanted their own store where they would take their own percentage of sales.

Lastly I'll just say that while 30% might be too high I think a lot of people are overlooking the value that the App Store and the iOS platform as whole provides. I swear all of the comments about "I could host it myself and use stripe and pay way less" just reeks of "...you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem..."

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

It doesn't mean any of that, it just means that if you want your app on Apple's app store you can only use their payment processing.

Also, businesses generally don't have to do business with other businesses that are suing them.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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This is something many people feared might happen, and now, it's become a reality: Apple can, at will, remove your entire foundation or business, your (their) customers and your existence on iOS is just gone. Apple is a company that needs to be brought down a peg or two, it's far too 'valuable' in terms of its market worth, and needs a huge kick up the ass as Microsoft once had to show them some respect. And the EU w…

> Certainly, for public opinion, it means you now have to "tow the line", no protesting allowed. If you dare challenge us, we WILL REMOVE YOU.

Isn't that how all private companies work? If you walk into a mom-and-pop corner shop with no "shoes or shirt" you'll be removed as well—whether or not you think it's some kind of righteous protest.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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I really hope this will damage Apple’s brand and platform... They enforce their TOS randomly and this will happen to smaller companies too. Hurts the consumer too. People will be locked out of their Epic accounts.

>I really hope this will damage Apple’s brand and platform... They enforce their TOS randomly and this will happen to smaller companies too.

Epic's own customers are blaming Epic for this snafu. It's hard to see Apple as the bad guy when Epic is the one who broke the rules first. Almost every gamer isn't going to be sympathetic to a player who broke the rules and got banned.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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There we go! I’ve been saying forever that social logins are a bad idea for just this reason. What do you do when someone separates you from your users with no appeal and no recourse? In this place you can just shrug it off because nobody uses Apple sign-in anyway (look bellow for the one guy who does’s outrage). But imagine if Google or Facebook did this? The couple extra people you picked up by not making them create a new account wouldn’t be worth losing all your users or customers that sign in with either behemoth.

Prediction: future iOS release disables Fortnite app from running.

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

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Alright, so Apple are forcing all developers to add Sign-in with Apple (if they have other third-party login services), privacy benefits aside. But if you Apple decide that they don't like you anymore, they'll not only cut you off the App Store, they'll also bury all (or a subset of) your users. Apple is starting to act more and more like a bully. [1] https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#sig...

Intentionally breaking the rules and filing a lawsuit against them with a marketing campaign isn't as if apple just decided they "didn't like" Epic.

Epic alleges that Apple is breaking the law, and breaking the App Store rules was a pretty much required step to establish standing to sue. Is Apple above the legal system, such that they should be able to destroy businesses that dare to challenge them in court, regardless of the merits of their claims and before they are even heard?

Re: Apple Disabling 'Sign in with Apple' for Epic Games on September 11

#20

It's always interesting to read the comments on articles about the Epic Games situation. We can have discussions about Apple's cut or how Apple operates their store but this is such a clear cut case that I'm honestly surprised so many HN readers are siding with Epic (or maybe it's just the anti-Apple crowd looking for any reason to crap on Apple). Epic tried to get Apple to allow a whole new store on their platform A…

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