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Post by dr_dshiv »

sem000 wrote: post #434
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #396

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When I bought my iPhone I knew that I could only use the AppStore. I actually bought the iPhone because of the AppStore, the strict rules Apple has for developers and I prefer that no side-loading can occur. If you or any consumer feels lied to, misled or falsely advertised to, they should return their device to Apple. If enough people choose non-Apple products then Apple might change its position. Until then, buy a…

Exactly! HN is a small subset of Apple customers. The largest piece of the pie don’t care about any of this stuff besides that it works. I specifically bought Apple vs Android for these reasons. I run my life and business form my phone, I trust Apple to provide me with a working experience and support when needed. Imagine having to use another App Store outside Apples control, and an app causes my phone to crash. Who…

Why is this any different from Apple saying that you can't download other software on your Macbook, unless you pay Apple 30% and buy it from their exclusive store?

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

jjcon wrote: post #249
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #240

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I am skeptical that Amazon has 1% market share. I found a datum that Samsung has like 25M MAU in the US, but I doubt that they do more than 1% of the total app transactions in the US. Maybe in Korea.

> there are exactly two (AppStores) > How many of those are installed on more than 1% of mobile devices (however broadly construed)? > I doubt that they do more than 1% of the total app transactions These goal posts keep moving

True, I incorrectly identified the important metric in my comment. However, my mistake does not change which metric is important.

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Post by fsflover »

bzb5 wrote: post #339
swiley wrote: post #324

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His argument is that the law should prevent this kind of abuse. That’s the ideology itself.

Is that what rms says? That his ideology should not be an option, but mandatory? Honest question.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-impor...

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Post by [deleted] »

nicky0 wrote: post #310
rpdillon wrote: post #265

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Just like I should buy a phone without a restrictive app store installed by default that bans apps capriciously?

Exactly, if you don't like the way Apple does things don't buy an iPhone and don't develop software for iPhones. Very simple.

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Post by Gorbzel »

simion314 wrote: post #422
danielheath wrote: post #350

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It's not a good thing that I need 6 stores installed to play the games I've bought, each with their own updater pulling several gigabytes a week off the net just to keep the store app up-to-date. I'd be interested to see whether any jurisdiction would hand down a consumer mandate for unbundling the DRM component from the storefront app; the former only updates occasionally.

Better to have the option of 5 stores that you can launch when and if you want then only have a Windows/Apple Store that will have more expensive games, will censor stuff based on "american values", will DRM shit so you can't say swap a .dll with something that works better(some old games that work bad on Win10 can be fixed by using a different directx.dll), you could not mod the games - basically you are telling PC…

Simply put, none of the things you’ve said are better are actually better.

Launcher apps are garbage, but you just move right past that to one single game that can be downloaded directly out of hundreds that can’t.

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Post by deergomoo »

mythz wrote: post #255
raydev wrote: post #162

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>> This license is free to use and incurs 5% royalties when you monetize your game or other interactive off-the-shelf product and your lifetime gross revenues from that product exceed $1,000,000 USD. > And Epic doesn't even provide quality control, a discovery mechanism, or payment processing. Apple takes 30% off all purchases upfront, and maybe they'll cut you a deal if you're Netflix-size. On top of that, Apple's "…

> Apple takes 30% off all purchases upfront, and maybe they'll cut you a deal if you're Netflix-size. Netflix, like Kindle & Spotify are "Reader" Apps which pay 0% Royalty. [1] https://www.apple.com/ios/app-store/principles-practices/#:~...

They pay 0% because they don't offer the ability to sign up in the app at all. If they did (Netflix and Spotify have in the past), they have to pay the 30%. To offset this, the price is more expensive inside the app. You can see this with YouTube Premium: £11.99/month via the web, £15.99/month via the iOS app.

All the "reader" designation does is allow this off-site option to exist at all, still with the restriction that you are not permitted to even imply that you can sign up elsewhere.

The only thing this does is make the customer experience worse. Now we have a Netflix app that can't tell you how to sign up, and a Kindle app that can't sell books. The alternative is the customer has to pay more, or the company has to eat the cost. Nobody wins except Apple, but you could make the argument that they're harming their own platform with this stuff.

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Post by simion314 »

sem000 wrote: post #434
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I bought my iPhone I knew that I could only use the AppStore. I actually bought the iPhone because of the AppStore, the strict rules Apple has for developers and I prefer that no side-loading can occur. If you or any consumer feels lied to, misled or falsely advertised to, they should return their device to Apple. If enough people choose non-Apple products then Apple might change its position. Until then, buy a…

Exactly! HN is a small subset of Apple customers. The largest piece of the pie don’t care about any of this stuff besides that it works. I specifically bought Apple vs Android for these reasons. I run my life and business form my phone, I trust Apple to provide me with a working experience and support when needed. Imagine having to use another App Store outside Apples control, and an app causes my phone to crash. Who…

>Imagine having to use another App Store outside Apple...

Don't use one, install only Apple approved content from Apple approved stores but don't force everyone to do so. If you want to pay 15-30% more for stuff from the Apple Store then you are free to do so. On PC you can use only Steam, if say you want to buy Fallout 3 today and is 75% of on GOG you are not forced to buy it from GOG, you can buy it from Steam and give Valve their cut.

But you should have bought Android if you want freedom ... I think it does not make sense that a judge should decide if somebody is abusing their power should depend on the market share of Andoid and would include a condition like "When Android market share gets under X or when Google locks down Android then the current Apple good abuses become over night bad).

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

jjcon wrote: post #210
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #179

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I am just waiting untill car companies as "platform owners" start preventing you from driving to areas they don't like, or exceeding speed limit. Afterall, you just paid for the car, they still own the software that controls the engine.

> I am just waiting untill car companies as "platform owners" start preventing you from driving to areas they don't like, or exceeding speed limit. Maybe just don’t buy that car then?

Soon even a washing machine will refuse to wash clothes of non-approved brand for 'safety reasons'. This is not a joke - at university we had attempts to enforce this.

And because of people like you constantly defending this madness, we are sleep-walking into a feudal-style tyranny.

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Post by simion314 »

Gorbzel wrote: post #445
simion314 wrote: post #422

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Better to have the option of 5 stores that you can launch when and if you want then only have a Windows/Apple Store that will have more expensive games, will censor stuff based on "american values", will DRM shit so you can't say swap a .dll with something that works better(some old games that work bad on Win10 can be fixed by using a different directx.dll), you could not mod the games - basically you are telling PC…

Simply put, none of the things you’ve said are better are actually better. Launcher apps are garbage, but you just move right past that to one single game that can be downloaded directly out of hundreds that can’t.

Fortnite is not the only game rejected by Apple. There are many small games that have versions for Windows,Mac,Linux and Android but not iOS.

You are ignoring that except the exclusives you can game most of your games on one store. I do not support exclusivity for one store either and I would prefer I always had the option to buy the products directly from the developer. Like my Intellij subscription I don't want that Microsoft or other big american company gets 30% of the money this hard working developers deserve because I am forced to use a middle man.

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Post by gigatexal »

arvinsim wrote: post #387
tasssko wrote: post #369

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A better analogy is the game is like a ride at a theme park. The theme park was built by Apple. Many companies can make games/rides for the theme park but must pay a share of revenue from each customer going on rides. You can go on a ride at the theme park but you pay an entrance fee for the theme park and you pay to go on the rides.

Are theme parks essential to your daily life? Because that what smartphones has become.

Bruv, it's an analogy... people are so pedantic smh
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