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Post by dane-pgp »

empthought wrote: post #240
easymovet wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UX has been a main focus of Bitcoin ever since Lightning made scaling possible. Checkout out the Strike app for seamless bitcoin (lightning) payments https://strike.zaphq.io/ Who cares? Anyone who feels like their purchasing power isn't where it should be is either underpaid, or a victim of central banks diluting their dollars with printing.

> victim of central banks diluting their dollars with printing. So, nobody in the EU or North America, then.

Perhaps a better threat scenario would have been "victim of banks confiscating their deposits", which is a much more realistic risk for people in the EU:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/cyprus-bank-account-tax-put...

(Also, the grandparent post perhaps should have given some context to the statement "Lightning made scaling possible", such as the fact that Bitcoin originally supported 32 MB blocks of transactions, before being "temporarily" limited to 1 MB. Alternative blockchains have managed without this artificial restriction, and without relying on complicated second-layer "solutions" like Lightning.)

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Post by smabie »

slyall wrote: post #195
driverdan wrote: post #190

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100Gb/month is practically nothing. I primarily use a hotspot for internet access and routinely do way more traffic than that.

If you don't use video then it'll be plenty. Plenty of people get their TV the old-fashioned way but still want fast Internet. Looking at pricing for Spark (one of the largerproviders). [1] For each of the fibre speed plans you can get 60GB/month, for another $10 you get 120GB/month and for a further $10 you get unlimited traffic. BTW: "Mb" = Megabits, "MB" = MegaBytes [1] https://www.spark.co.nz/shop/internet/plans-…

I mean, the video games I play are 100-200gb each, with crazy large updates every couple days. I would probably go through 120gb in a couple days.

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Post by coronadisaster »

nabla9 wrote: post #68
coronadisaster wrote: post #2

It would be nice to have a torrent system where noone that is uploading has all the data for a specific torrent (or at least they arent uploading the whole file to any specfic person... probably would be harder to prosecute in the event that some files become illegal)... You could take 1% of the billonaire's fortune and give it to the "victims" and everyone would be happy.

If you want to circumvent the law, you must find a legal technicality, not a technical technicality. The key weakness in every smartass technical technicality to circumvent the law is forgetting that intent is core concept when the law is interpreted in the court. Did the defendant have intent to do X? Did the defendant use some purpose build technique to avoid doing the most literal interpretation X ? .. Yeah, defen…

"must find a legal technicality, not a technical technicality."

I think we are ok as long as there are no precedents? Isnt that how smartass laws work?

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Post by inopinatus »

nemo1618 wrote: post #188
noja wrote: post #82

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Don't people always say exactly that? What are the chances of a collision if we simultaneously use multiple hashes, does it become significantly less likely?

> don't people always say exactly that? This is an understandable reaction, but the security margin on new crypto is way higher than old crypto. Roughly speaking, we went from "I guess if a state-level actor dedicated all their resources to this for a few decades, they could probably brute-force it" to "Even if you broke 9 out of 10 rounds in this algorithm, you'd still need to harness the energy of every star in the…

This isn't wholly unreasonable. At some point we will stop worrying about state actors and start worrying about the Xeelee.

Re: BitTorrent v2

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Post by gruez »

empthought wrote: post #240
easymovet wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UX has been a main focus of Bitcoin ever since Lightning made scaling possible. Checkout out the Strike app for seamless bitcoin (lightning) payments https://strike.zaphq.io/ Who cares? Anyone who feels like their purchasing power isn't where it should be is either underpaid, or a victim of central banks diluting their dollars with printing.

> victim of central banks diluting their dollars with printing. So, nobody in the EU or North America, then.

It's true that there hasn't been much inflation in CPI, but there's no doubt that all the printed money has inflated asset prices.

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Post by jyrkesh »

sedatk wrote: post #227
throwaway2048 wrote: post #216

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This isn't really true, sha1's weakness would require you to be the creator of the torrent, which if you are, you can just make the binary malicious to begin with.

> sha1's weakness would require you to be the creator of the torrent Huh, why?

I'm not an expert here, but I'm thinking about it like this:

Creating a SHA-1 collision is doable, but it's still hard. If you want to serve someone a malicious piece of data, that's already one hash of the two colliding hashes that you've used up. Now you have to create harmless or "benevolent" data that collides with the hash of your malicious data so that you can create a positive reputation for your file from users who aren't your targets. That way, when your target inevitably goes to download the file, you wrestle into the protocol with a lot of speed and/or nodes, and you serve the malicious data to your target instead of the data you've been serving to everyone else.

If you don't need the positive reputation, and someone will just download and run whatever you put in the torrent, you don't need the collision in the first place.

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Post by nicbou »

dchuk wrote: post #208
cercatrova wrote: post #144

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> It's a tool that doesn't pitch that it's a P2P tool - it doesn't try to convince you with sob stories in how using P2P helps fight against the big bad evil web. Instead, you use it because it's genuinely the best at what it does: it being P2P is not a selling point, it's just how it happens to work, and that is exactly what it should be. This should be something that every creator who markets or sells products shou…

This is exactly the problem with all cryptocurrency currently. It’s a massive user experience issue, in the sense that users have to experience the technical bullshit of how the currencies work, completely missing the brilliant part of real money: it just works. I hand people money, they give me things. I swipe my credit card, I get things. I can’t remember who aid it originally, but there’s a great test you can give…

It has been a few years, and despite a few attempts, I still don't really understand bitcoin. Yes yes ledgers and proof of work and yada yada, but I still don't know what I would need to do to buy something with bitcoin right now.

As I understand I need to do something that's pretty much exactly like opening a bank account, but transactions take forever, they cost money, and the currency is not accepted by any business I use, unlike my free credit card.

I have 55€ in my wallet and everyone on this continent knows what to do with it.

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Post by bonoboTP »

rolleiflex wrote: post #83

I make P2P tools too. [0] Let me tell you this: Bittorrent is one of the few things in the space that actually ... works. It works not in the sense that there is a white paper that should work. Not in the sense that there are a few company-made swarms hosted on industrial servers that keep everyone up and alive, so that the thing gives the impression the 'P2P' network does work. Not in the sense that there is a very-…

Not sure how intentional this was, but for piracy, the killer feature is that curation and quality control could be centralized to well managed trackers, instead of the previous bazaar like situation on Napster/Kazaa/DC++/etc. where everyone shared their inconsistently named mess of files, lots of slightly different versions of the same movie etc. With torrents you can browse the tracker's website and see one canonical library of content, and dozens or more people seeding the same stuff.

The other big thing was seeding the already downloaded bits while downloading the rest and making this behavior very hard to disable. This combined with ratio systems of the various trackers ensured that people played nice and gave back as much as they took.

The downside was the elimination of the long tail very niche content that you could find on DC++ while browsing individual people's messy but unique collections.

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Post by SL61 »

ffpip wrote: post #49
101008 wrote: post #37

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It would be horrible to live in a world like that. Imagine deciding to watch a shorter film on Netflix because you will pay less.

That's basically what happens with mobile data plans in India. Fixed speeds, pay X amount per 1 or 1.2 GB

It's also how Google Fi works. Every time I loaded something, in the back of my mind I'd think "this page is costing me two cents". It makes everything you load feel like an individual transaction, making it super uncomfortable to use.
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