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Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Not sure if this link will always work but here is the instance being referred to: http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/~bgzimmer/zoom_0.mp4?_=1

He was suspended for that??? Ridiculous. Seriously, the far left has ruined educational institutions. They are so obsessed with attacking "racism" or "hate" even when neither are involved. They don't care about context, they don't care about intent, they don't care about ANYTHING. This seriously needs to stop

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#232
post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Students are "like that", because they feel powerless and complicit by slaving away in a virtually for-profit education system, that they see as part of the problem. They understandably want change, progress, solidarity, etc. Basically think of this as the very very very watered down version of a student protest. After all young adults are the prime age cohort who are sensitive to social issues. This requires no orga…

It seems odd that students feel enslaved by the for-profit schools, and yet attack everyone BUT the school itself.

They attack those who they think represent the school. The dude they see in the classroom. "Little do they know" the decisions are made by administrators. (Only strictly research/science decisions are still handled by profs, but they also don't really do much other than churn out grant proposals and papers.)

And this was seen in the debates (shouting matches?) that faculty members had with students elsewhere. (I'm thinking about a video about some safe space protest.) It was not some nameless administrator trying to persuade (and educate) the emotional students, but someone that actually cares about education yet the decision about not hosting a lecture by some controversial figure is usually made by the administration, to play it safe. (While the initial decision to host some event is usually made by some club/group, approved by the administration. And that approval just gets withdrawn.)

Of course looking at this with a very reductionist first principles eye it makes sense. Students don't want to learn from someone they don't consider at least a bit an authority figure. So they then voice their grievances to them too. And if the educator cannot do anything about those problems, then he/she was just a fake authority figure all along. (And then just a bit of cognitive dissonance helpfully informs them that from this it logically follows that whatever said educator had said is wrong/useless. And so young folks go ideology shopping, and that's why suddenly there are post-cultural Marxo-modernists everywhere.)

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#234

The funny thing here is that the professor is speaking English throughout, so when he says 那个, 那个, 那个 … (as the translation for "that, that, that …") it really sounds like the English derogatory word. That explains a lot of the reaction, I think.

context is being purposefully ignored here though.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#235
post #216

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Awesome list, looks like you're making a real effort. Tough language to learn, mainly because the range of correctness seems quite narrow. English by constrast seems to have a huge range. Check out this guy, he's making good progress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOwS4d_p90o

I think it corresponds to the number of non-native speakers. English speakers are used to hearing people from every corner of the globe speak our language, so we are pretty unfazed by an accent. Danes - like, I think, most speakers of languages that remain largely isolated to their land of origin, have no such exposure - and thus tolerance - to accented speech.

In my experience, most professional immigrants to Denmark have more trouble learning Danish than they would if they'd moved to Sweden or Norway instead.

Before I moved to Denmark, an hour with a Swede plus reading the back of Lonely Planet taught me enough Swedish reading and pronunciation to order food in the airport in Swedish. Danish takes weeks or months of exposure to get an ear for the language, plus more weeks/months of practise to be understood.

It's certainly possible; I know adults from all over Europe whose can speak Danish from reasonably to very well. It does take more effort and more motivation than elsewhere.

(I wrote professional, since this is based on a typical situation of a couple of hours of Danish class a week, plus homework. I can't compare children, other workers, refugees etc, as their situation is so different.)

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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post #198
post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Students are "like that", because they feel powerless and complicit by slaving away in a virtually for-profit education system, that they see as part of the problem. They understandably want change, progress, solidarity, etc. Basically think of this as the very very very watered down version of a student protest. After all young adults are the prime age cohort who are sensitive to social issues. This requires no orga…

So why does this happen mostly in the US?

It might happen elsewhere too, but we just don't know about those instances. The 24-hour constant breaking news cycle is perfected in the US, and some of that bubbles up to HN, whereas similar events from other countries doesn't even make much "news", much less make it out of that country.

Plus it might simply be that because US public discourse has become more polarized than that of other countries.

Also USC administration is full of shit anyway, they fired the previous dean of that school and tried to buy his silence: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ellis-usc-marsha...

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#238

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Please do not be that condescending towards me or towards anyone else on HN. I am glad that using obscure viewing option, literally absent from anywhere in the interface, works for you. However, majority of people are using HN via default https://news.ycombinator.com/ , and this story is missing from there completely .

It’s not absent or obscure, it’s at the bottom under “lists”. Also the front page rank is the determined by the number of upvotes divided by time to a low power, times a flagging factor. It’s open sourced.

That's the basic algorithm, but there are quite a few additional factors- see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#239

You can see the same happening here, on HN: this post has been literally hidden from the main page - you won't find it among first 150 entries, despite having relatively high score and number of comments. I guess moderators hope that if they pretend something does not exist, maybe it will go away.

Users flagged it, plus it set off the flamewar detector. Those things cause a story to fall in rank.

Also, it was posted several times before.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#240

Honestly, I'm shocked everytime I read this stuff from american universities. Why is this happening? Because it's not the first nor second time that I read about events similar to this one.

> Why is this happening? This specific case, I would bet dollars to donuts, happened because: (1) The administration is hypersensitive in light of the wave of race related protests and associated two-sided violence occurring in the country. (2) Someone aware of the likelihood of that deliberately trolled the administration, probably under a false flag, to produce an incident. Possibly just for lulz, more likely than…

I also thought it might have been trolling, but this article makes that seem unlikely: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-09-05/usc-busi...

To some students, the word sounded like the N-word in English. The next day a group of Black master’s candidates in the class of 2022 wrote a letter to Marshall Dean Geoffrey Garrett.

“There are over 10,000 characters in the Chinese written language and to use this phrase ... is hurtful and unacceptable to our USC Marshall community,” the letter said. “The negligence and disregard displayed by our professor was very clear.”

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