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'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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No there isn’t. There is documented video of this happening. It may not happen to every single journalist but that doesn’t mean it is not happening. Antifa is very organized and they specifically look for journalists they do not like.

Please post a link to these videos. I was surprised I couldn't find any in OP.

The video I saw was on a live stream. A cursory searched turned up this thread from a WaPo reporter though that includes photos and videos of this happening in DC:

https://twitter.com/KunkleFredrick/status/130241080065357824...

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Sure. You don't start a negotiation from the middle. Also, most of the actual policy changes would be local. The support of the general population matters much less than the support of those who are impacted. The politicians and leaders need to work out the details and compromises. The point of these protests is that one side has not been listened to, and it is getting people killed, and we're sick of it.

> You don't start a negotiation from the middle. I agree, but you also shouldn't completely discredit yourself before negotiation has started. What do you even bring to the table? The end of protests? Protests are only being tolerated because of presumed public support, which has been dwindling due to some ugly scenes. > The politicians and leaders need to work out the details and compromises. The politicians only ne…

> What do you even bring to the table? The end of protests? Protests are only being tolerated because of presumed public support, which has been dwindling due to some ugly scenes.

The end of protests and a society that works better for everybody, yes. I'd love to have a public safety force that I felt I could rely on. Currently, I don't.

> In many areas, the majority already voted in Democrats with the intention of having them fix things, which they didn't.

Well, sort of. Here in the Twin Cities, the elected Minneapolis City Council voted unanimously to change the city charter to no longer require the Minneapolis Police Department. The charter change would require a vote to approve, which would have let us actually see how locals felt about it. But, it required review by an un-elected Charter Commission, which doesn't reflect the demographics of the city, and chose to use a procedural delay tactic to prevent the question from being put on the ballot this year. So it's not fair to say that they "didn't fix things," but rather weren't allowed to by state law, which requires the charter commission. Republicans control the state Senate.

> So, without the majority vote you don't have Democrats and without the Democrats, who do you have to support?

Progressive candidates, like members of the DSA and politicians they endorse. One thing that has come out of these protests is a rise in progressive candidates, both running at all, and actually winning some primaries. The progressive candidate who won the primary for my state House seat over the long-time Dem incumbent chose to run after the Floyd murder.

The protests themselves have moved the overton window. A single recent example is how public support for protesting athletes has changed. Consider in particular the NFL apology from earlier this year https://abcnews.go.com/US/nfl-apologizes-listening-players-r... . It's a long road, and mistakes will be made, but on the whole I think the protests have had a huge positive impact on the problem.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

#193

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No there isn’t. There is documented video of this happening. It may not happen to every single journalist but that doesn’t mean it is not happening. Antifa is very organized and they specifically look for journalists they do not like.

Please post a link to these videos. I was surprised I couldn't find any in OP.

Here are two:

https://twitter.com/AlphaNewsMN/status/1298352487603286016

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2020/08/20/black-li...

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I don't know why this comment got downvoted so heavily. I think what you're saying is insightful. This kind of culture puts the US at high risk of falling deep into the kind of corrupt, low trust world seen e.g. in Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union. When manipulative behaviors are normalized and rewarded, manipulative, corrupt people take power. And when the regime's power collapses and the pie starts…

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Apparently @alex_zee is no objective observer and has participated in disinformation. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300617725354504192

This Andy Ngo? https://www.salon.com/2019/08/28/right-wing-journalist-andy-...

Oh Salon, that bastion of levelheaded, fact first reporting. /s

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Your phrasing is misleading. BLM isn't responsible. A veteran sympathetic to the cause went on a shooting spree granted, but I don't know how you get from that to "BLM was responsible"

You cannot on one hand claim that BLM is an organic, grass roots, and completely headless organization while at the same time disclaiming someone as a member of the supposed unorganized organization composed entirely of people who self identify as BLM members.

There's a similar vein of argumentation that occurs with Antifa: everyone understands that there isn't a formal organization, but anyone who points out grassroots affiliation is dishonestly accused of claiming there is a formal organization, and can therefore be credibly debunked. It's highly dishonest stuff.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Certainly. I even catch myself doing it too. I’ve had to develop a kind of framework for considering political issues to avoid it: What’s best for me? What’s best for my family? What’s best for my community? What’s best for my country? What’s best for the planet? Often these questions have contradicting answers. However once I think through them, I can at least begin to structure an opinion.

I find it more concerning how quickly people forget the past. In 2016 BLM was responsible for a mass shooting in Dallas and most people I know already forgot this fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli...

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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I find it more concerning how quickly people forget the past. In 2016 BLM was responsible for a mass shooting in Dallas and most people I know already forgot this fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli...

What does this have to do with either formercoder’s comment or with filming at protests? I’m failing to understand what point you’re trying to make here.

The previous two comments where about tribalism. I think tribalism has a lot to do with this forgetfulness of inconvenient facts

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Some of these sound reasonable, some of them are completely ridiculous. It's probably for the better of the movement that these demands aren't the subject of (sympathetic) news coverage, because they're way outside the overton window of the general population. In fact, republicans/conservatives could hardly get any better support for their claim that BLM supporters are radical marxists.

> In fact, republicans/conservatives could hardly get any better support for their claim that BLM supporters are radical marxists. I've read a lot of lists of demands, and most of them seem reasonable to me, and I suspect more would seem reasonable to the general population than you think. I have yet to encounter the demand that private property be abolished in favor of collective ownership, or much else that conform…

I generally agree on that point, but that doesn't necessarily matter to public perception. The general public isn't particularly educated on how exactly Marxism might be defined in a textbook.

Rather, in terms of public perception, Marxism is probably best defined as "a bunch of loony leftist ideas". Some of these demands fit that bill perfectly.

Secondly, many BLM protestors are clearly brandishing symbols that are associated with Marxist/Communist ideology, many self-identify as "Marxist", and even officially they refer to each other as "comrades":

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Please provide sources.

Google it, it was all over the Reddit and even some “news” media bothered to report it. 2 kids white suv, roadblock.. 16 year old finished off with a round to the dome, younger one lived but was severely wounded. There is a video of the evidence destruction(them collecting casings) but it is harder to find. I think nobody been arrested or charged. Yeah nobody gives a shit about that either

Ill have to look it up and report back i guess.
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