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'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by AlexTWithBeard »

threatofrain wrote: post #172
formercoder wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve found that most people I speak to can’t accept that most issues are complex shades of gray. It’s all our team or their team based on whatever news channel they subscribe to. No one takes time to dig below the surface and think for themselves.

If someone suggests that they think in morally gray manner, doesn't it signal to everyone around them that they're morally suspicious? >"Do you think it's alright that police are getting killed?" > "Well, let's think about the details, as the situation can be complex or even gray..." You might say this is a stupid and sparse example, but well, let's think about it... for many people instinctual morality is their prim…

Sure. Let's think about it:

- could it have been prevented? At what cost?

- what are the other options? I wish, but often the alternative to people suffering is even more people suffering

- once the shit happened, how do we mitigate the situation?

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Post by humanrebar »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #164
formercoder wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly. I even catch myself doing it too. I’ve had to develop a kind of framework for considering political issues to avoid it: What’s best for me? What’s best for my family? What’s best for my community? What’s best for my country? What’s best for the planet? Often these questions have contradicting answers. However once I think through them, I can at least begin to structure an opinion.

I find it more concerning how quickly people forget the past. In 2016 BLM was responsible for a mass shooting in Dallas and most people I know already forgot this fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli...

I think "responsible" might be overstating it.

But if BLM is not responsible, then it does poke holes in the ACAB and maybe even "Defund the Police" positions. If protestors can dissociate from rogue actors, can police? If not, what's the clear difference beyond political tribalism?

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Post by abduhl »

sammorrowdrums wrote: post #179
mStreamTeam wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it more concerning how quickly people forget the past. In 2016 BLM was responsible for a mass shooting in Dallas and most people I know already forgot this fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli...

Your phrasing is misleading. BLM isn't responsible. A veteran sympathetic to the cause went on a shooting spree granted, but I don't know how you get from that to "BLM was responsible"

You cannot on one hand claim that BLM is an organic, grass roots, and completely headless organization while at the same time disclaiming someone as a member of the supposed unorganized organization composed entirely of people who self identify as BLM members.

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Post by ppf »

Kednicma wrote: post #137
ppf wrote: post #62

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>From our perspective, you're just some hateful outsider who has no experience living in a society. I'm glad we feel the same way about immigration ;)

Do we? I also think that police officers must live in their precinct. No Portland cop should live in Vancouver. I also think that legislators are obligated to do their job. No Oregon legislator should live in Idaho. I also think that you, being a non-Portlander, should not have any voice whatsoever in disputes between Portland's people and its elected leadership. Our problems are between us, and our city council and…

Oh god people like you are why I left.

You all vote progressive lunatics into office then complain when things go to shit.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by sudonim »

sremani wrote: post #163
sudonim wrote: post #58

There’s reason to be skeptical. From a local Portland journalist covering the protests: https://twitter.com/alex_zee/status/1302284883625046016?s=21 “ Not that I want to legitimize this @reason piece, but I have filmed copious moments of ppl throwing things at police/vandalizing bldgs/etc & have never been told I’m not allowed to film. I have never heard of the so-called “IPC.” The lack of sourcing in this story show…

Apparently @alex_zee is no objective observer and has participated in disinformation. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300617725354504192

This Andy Ngo?

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/28/right-wing-journalist-andy-...

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Post by throw6654324 »

zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

Thhey did the same type of reporting during the Hong Kong protests.

Completely brushed over the rioting, the destruction of public property, and even attacks on bystanders speaking Mandarin (there were incidents of Japanese and Taiwanese reporters being attacked by protesters who thought they were Mainland Chinese).

There were also Molotov cocktails thrown at police, and some protesters were shooting arrows.

That’s what sells, so it makes sense they would have that narrative.

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Post by tlear »

kombucha111 wrote: post #173
tlear wrote: post #161

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Well cops left in Seattle and let Marxist larpers have a go. Couple dead people later that had to be ended. Well that and looting with a good doze of racketeering(protection money) and assaults on whoever did not look like they fit Watch the video where they executed one kid, the other who was shot lived because I guess he looked dead so they did not give him coup de grace

Please provide sources.

Google it, it was all over the Reddit and even some “news” media bothered to report it. 2 kids white suv, roadblock.. 16 year old finished off with a round to the dome, younger one lived but was severely wounded. There is a video of the evidence destruction(them collecting casings) but it is harder to find.

I think nobody been arrested or charged. Yeah nobody gives a shit about that either

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Post by microtonal »

the-dude wrote: post #136
microtonal wrote: post #115

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Wait, what? The largest newspaper (Telegraaf) is definitely right wing. The second largest newspaper (AD) is also anything but left wing. I agree with public broadcasting, but that’s in part because the right wing has changed. Traditionally, the right-wing stronghold was the conservative christian block. Which had their political party and broadcasting associations. But these broadcasters have changed their direction…

The relevance of newspapers has been greatly diminished. And I am not even a millenial.

Digital subscriptions of Dutch newspapers have grown steadily:

https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/digitale-opl...

(For non-native speakers, scroll to the first graph.)

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by humanrebar »

seebetter wrote: post #56
formercoder wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve found that most people I speak to can’t accept that most issues are complex shades of gray. It’s all our team or their team based on whatever news channel they subscribe to. No one takes time to dig below the surface and think for themselves.

And in reality, we’re really more alike than we realize. It’s just the political parties and media have financalized everything. American politics is more just crony wealth transfers to vying corporate factions. We’re all victims to an undefined enemy but we’re fighting ourselves.

The parties are fairly weak to be honest. Otherwise, Trump wouldn't have been nominated in the first place and Sanders wouldn't have had two strong runs at the presidency. The voters are self-incentivized to break off into factions.

I think what has been slowly changing and coming to a head is that the checks and balances in the American system have been eroded and calcified. When everything is all or nothing and mechanisms for compromise stop being used (i.e. legislation, policy diversity across states), then everything is a Big Deal.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by hairofadog »

mStreamTeam wrote: post #164
formercoder wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly. I even catch myself doing it too. I’ve had to develop a kind of framework for considering political issues to avoid it: What’s best for me? What’s best for my family? What’s best for my community? What’s best for my country? What’s best for the planet? Often these questions have contradicting answers. However once I think through them, I can at least begin to structure an opinion.

I find it more concerning how quickly people forget the past. In 2016 BLM was responsible for a mass shooting in Dallas and most people I know already forgot this fact. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli...

What does this have to do with either formercoder’s comment or with filming at protests? I’m failing to understand what point you’re trying to make here.
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