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Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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I've been typing without any signs of RSI until I started using vim. Vim forced me to switch from my 'custom/natural' hand position* , which uses just 3-4 fingers of the right hand, to the home row position, which uses all five. This put too much strain on my ring finger which is much weaker than the other fingers, and that I believe led to RSI. Maybe I'm an outlier with atypical anatomy, or maybe we should challenge…

In my observations, this is quite common. Most people who complained about RSI in my environment were heavy vim or emacs users.

When I switched to vim keybindings, my RSI got noticeably better.

People are different, and there are few general rules in ergonomics.

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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I've used Ergo 4000 for a decade (I still have it), but moved to a conventional G710+ because it has Cherry MX brown switches.

The problem with Ergo4000 is, its keys wear down over time. It's a very nice keyboard and tends to teach you touch typing correcty but, the keys become heavier over much use. I didn't notice it until I've switched to G710+. Cherry MX Brown switches are really softer and allows me to work with my computer longer.

I don't have RSI but, My fingers felt tired at the end of a long session. Now with 710+, it never happens.

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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My two cents on the RSI and fast typing.

I learned typing 40 years ago, in the same way as secretaries do, with a real mechanical typewriter (an Olivetti one), and following an standard typewriter course for 2 months. My parents and relatives also used mechanical typewriters for 20 years before (8 hours a day).

The writer says "CapsLock is useless... remap". I have seen that statement a lot of times, and I deeply feel it wrong. That means the author hasn't been properly trained at typing. Maybe he also lacks:

- The balance of the "space" between the two hands.

- using the opposite shift for the special chars.

- using caps for continuous uppercase...

- numbers had an assigned finger. (Some people overuse only 2 fingers for them).

- the hand position and they way the rest/float in the keyboard, needed to achieve more than 100word/min.

- forearm and hand alignment.

I have work with people with RSI and almost all of them lack proper training at typing. So they tend to overuse 2/3 fingers, to only use one side of the space bar, or only one shift. They don't balance correctly the hands, and some positions are forced.

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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post #23

My two cents on the RSI and fast typing. I learned typing 40 years ago, in the same way as secretaries do, with a real mechanical typewriter (an Olivetti one), and following an standard typewriter course for 2 months. My parents and relatives also used mechanical typewriters for 20 years before (8 hours a day). The writer says "CapsLock is useless... remap". I have seen that statement a lot of times, and I deeply fee…

What makes remapping capslock wrong? Does proper typing training make it easy to reach the escape key?

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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post #23

My two cents on the RSI and fast typing. I learned typing 40 years ago, in the same way as secretaries do, with a real mechanical typewriter (an Olivetti one), and following an standard typewriter course for 2 months. My parents and relatives also used mechanical typewriters for 20 years before (8 hours a day). The writer says "CapsLock is useless... remap". I have seen that statement a lot of times, and I deeply fee…

Remapping capslock to escape is not wrong if you’re using vim, in fact I would say it’s practically a requirement.

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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I bought an Ergodox EZ because I wanted to try out the wonderful mechanical keyboard feedback that many blog posts talk about. The tactile feedback in particular; as I didn't want to bother my colleagues, I bought Blue Zilents from Zeal PC [1], which were a nice upgrade from the Cherry Browns - silent, regular, good tactility.

I never really got what I was looking for. While the keyboard "felt nice", the extra travel seemed excessive when compared to the standard Mac keyboard (2015 model), and the tactility didn't really improve my typing. Rather, due to the ortholinear layout of the Ergodox, and the keyboard not having room for the Danish characters (æÆ, øØ and åÅ) which I use every day, I spent a lot of time configuring first the keyboard layout, then my brain to fit it. And in spite of the silent switch choice, I could never be as ninjaish as on my Mac keyboard.

The final straw, however, was when I read a blog post that confirmed my general feeling about the sluggishness of the keyboard; the software that the keyboard runs internally means another hurdle in the signal path from my button press to the computer reacting, and a huge one when compared with other keyboards. Regardless of how much I practiced, the keyboard would _never_ feel as fast or responsive as I'd like it to, and consequently, my efforts into improving my typing would probably proceed at a poorer rate than it could have.

I reverted to the Mac keyboard, and I'm happy!

This isn't intended as an Ergodox bashing. Personally, I learned from the experience that a) Mechanical keyboards are not for me, and b) The Ergodox certainly isn't for me. And, possibly, that c) The butterfly mechanism of the 2015 Macbook Pro is actually a perfect fit for me. But I also learned a more general lesson, which is d) To keep critically pursuing alternative interfaces, _especially_ when I'm experiencing fatigue or pain, and e) That regardless of the interface, repetition can be hurtful. In my future home office, I hope to have more than one pointing device and more than one keyboard, so that I can switch it up once a while - use an vertical mouse rather than a horizontal one, or switch to a touchpad or Wacom when I feel like it. And the same for the keyboard; changing the angle of the board (angles in the case of a physically split board), strapping keyboards to my thighs, using keyboard with different switch mechanisms and key layouts. And, of course, getting away from the keyboard, stretching, and looking into the distance :)

Take care of yourselves, fellow keyboard warriors!

[1] https://zealpc.net/products/zilents

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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post #23

My two cents on the RSI and fast typing. I learned typing 40 years ago, in the same way as secretaries do, with a real mechanical typewriter (an Olivetti one), and following an standard typewriter course for 2 months. My parents and relatives also used mechanical typewriters for 20 years before (8 hours a day). The writer says "CapsLock is useless... remap". I have seen that statement a lot of times, and I deeply fee…

Many people lack a need for continuous uppercase. It might have been a big enough deal back in your typewriter days when bold and font size changes weren’t an option but it’s certainly not common enough to warrant a dedicated button in prime position now.

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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I am usually quite saddened each time when I see the common “moving hands = RSI” conclusion. It is not like that. RSI mostly happens when you move your _wrists_ while trying to keep your hand in place. When I type, I move my arms and my wrists together, to prevent straining and unnatural angles. Worked so far (I am 37, and I code every day since 19).

I tend to agree. This seems like it would be an obvious thing but a lot of programmers never grok it early enough in their careers. A few posters around computer science labs in universities could save a generation from RSI.

Re: Fast Typing: Keyboard Layouts

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I bought an Ergodox EZ because I wanted to try out the wonderful mechanical keyboard feedback that many blog posts talk about. The tactile feedback in particular; as I didn't want to bother my colleagues, I bought Blue Zilents from Zeal PC [1], which were a nice upgrade from the Cherry Browns - silent, regular, good tactility. I never really got what I was looking for. While the keyboard "felt nice", the extra travel…

I've been using an Ergodox for about a year now, but never noticed any latency issues of any kind. This is just using standard Cherry MX brown switches. Perhaps the issue was something else?

At the end of the day I think it's a matter of taste/preference. Some like mechanical keyboards (i.e. me), others don't. That's fine, just pick whatever works for you :)

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