What motivated people in the piracy "Scene", knowing they risk jail time ?
Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
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Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#52It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.
I think that problem has been solved for the most part. https://reelgood.com/ and other services are excellent for it. To me, the real issue is finding movies/tv shows where you cannot buy or rent them. Amazingly, it is still an issue in this world. I would love to see The Bob Mathias Story from 1954. It was created by Allied Artists that has been bought and sold a few times ending up at ViacomCBS. Through many weeks…
No counts here, which is one reason I use https://www.justwatch.com
Sometimes I'm curious about how many movies a service has.
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is being taken?
Would love to hear your best guess/rationalization for how nothing is being taken.
I'm an app developer. I implemented all of the tricks I know to make it as difficult as it gets for the paid versions of my apps to be pirated. And I also try to detect if the user is using adblockers to make so that they can't use my free apps without seeing the ads. But I'm not at all against the user being able to bypass my security measures. Nobody is stealing from me by not GIVING ME MONEY THEY OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN ME. I'm not entitled to anything. If someone has the knowledge to bypass my security tricks, good on him. He have one less bill to pay. I grew up very poor, and I still live on a 3rd world country. I do not remember to have paid for any software in my life, so I won't be a hypocrite. To compare making a copy of an intangible thing to stealing something "real", like a cookie from someone elses jar is absurd. If 10 million people make 100 million copies of one of my apps, I'm not being robbed of anything. If one guy takes for himself an Iphone I bought yesterday, he is in fact robbing me of my resources. Not earning possible hypothetical future income does not equate to stealing realized gains of the past. Copyright law as it stands today is an incongruent reliq of a time when technology did not allow for things to have no associated costs of reproduction.
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I too avoid calling it piracy. Instead I call it "taking something you know you're not supposed to take." Edit: Really love these downvotes. Shows that people who engage in this act would rather have it called piracy because it's easier to brush off than having to look in the mirror and admit they're obviously doing something wrong. Sure they can mangle definitions of common words and perform incredible mental gymnas…
I don't understand how all the people here, who all want to be the next Bill Gates and make a ton of money selling software, services, or Juiceros, think it's "ok" to steal content. (The same content that they probably deny they watch because it's not hip enough.)
Bill Gates is your example? One of the worst examples you could have chosen, because he both engaged in piracy and was one of the top "victims" of piracy all the while he was becoming the richest man in the country.
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#55It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.
If cost wasn't an issue, I don't think that's really true. My friend uses sonarr + usenet and its not as easy as amazon/google/itunes/redbox/fandago rentals or purchases on a roku.
Yes and no. The initial setup isn’t obvious and the way the components work together is not easily found and understood.
However with a decent How-To you can end up with something very impressive.
A Slack alert can notify you of an automated download of a movie off someone’s top list or a TV series that has started screening again and has been downloaded. Automated piracy is impressive.
https://www.smarthomebeginner.com/docker-home-media-server-2...
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
I too avoid calling it piracy. Instead I call it "taking something you know you're not supposed to take." Edit: Really love these downvotes. Shows that people who engage in this act would rather have it called piracy because it's easier to brush off than having to look in the mirror and admit they're obviously doing something wrong. Sure they can mangle definitions of common words and perform incredible mental gymnas…
I don't understand how all the people here, who all want to be the next Bill Gates and make a ton of money selling software, services, or Juiceros, think it's "ok" to steal content. (The same content that they probably deny they watch because it's not hip enough.)
Stealing has a specific meaning. It is nonsensical to describe failure to follow copyright law stealing. Nobody calls exceeding the speed limit stealing velocity nor jaywalking "stealing the street".
Rich people convinced other rich people that it would be a good idea to let rich people decide which bits I'm allowed to transmit to you in order to maximize the revenue of people who for the most part are in the business of licensing creative work not actually doing it.
With zero chances of influencing the law on this or most other issues I can either choose to be a slave to it or not.
Only slaves and cowards obey their masters even when they aren't being watched.
I jaywalk too when its safe to do so. "Find me in New York for this quarter!"
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I too avoid calling it piracy. Instead I call it "taking something you know you're not supposed to take." Edit: Really love these downvotes. Shows that people who engage in this act would rather have it called piracy because it's easier to brush off than having to look in the mirror and admit they're obviously doing something wrong. Sure they can mangle definitions of common words and perform incredible mental gymnas…
I like that. I saw a cookie jar and I took one. I didn't bake them myself, and it's not my fault they stole your recipe and gave the cookies away for free.
Heh, your example completely skips the fact that someone went out and bought the ingredients, bought an oven, spent the time to prepare the dough, spent money on the electricity to bake the dough, spent the time to take it from the oven, bought a jar, put the artwork on the jar, rented a café, and finally placed the jar with the cookies on the display.
So.... the smartass "just took a cookie" the hard worker just spent time and money for everything else ;)
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#58It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.
Let's not kid ourselves, finding a torrent for a movie or looking up which service it streams on are both the same level of easy.[] The issue is you have to subscribe to all those different services, which is what most people are probably not willing to do. Now if a show or movie doesn't stream in your region or isn't otherwise easily online accessible, that's a different story. In that case it's on the industry to d…
If you're only seeing it once, sure. But if you want to watch it multiple times, you just have to find it once to get it the illicit way, and have to search "where to stream X" every time you want to watch the other, and it might change to something you don't have even in the middle of you watching the series, or even become unavailable entirely for awhile.
I almost exclusively use streaming services now, but it's still annoying to have to search what streaming service everything is currently on, and there are some older movies (been watching a lot of 80s movies I missed lately) in which there is no subscription service it's available, only pay $4+ to rent on Amazon Prime.
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#59What would people consider the ideal realistic system?
Something fair to content creators, distributors, and consumers.
I, personally, would like to be able to purchase one time "unlimited" licenses (like buying a book or a DVD) that can be easily validated by the publisher's web API and enable non-subscription content to be served by netflix/hulu/amazon/etc.
To enable (for example) streaming an amazon show through netflix. Presumably, streaming providers would (assuming the cost on an individual movie/series basis would be too small to be practical as a single payment made by me at time of consumption) include low-cost "Bring your own content" add-ons to subscriptions that would cover distribution costs through aggregate balances between providers.
Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases
#60It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.
I'm not blaming you as you aren't the one to set them in the first place, but the goal posts keep moving! Two decades post-Napster we finally have what everyone wanted all along: an easy, cheap way to watch almost every movie without leaving the couch / listen to almost every song from almost any device. But now it's not good enough unless it's literally every piece of content from a single origin 0_0
Don't we benefit from moving the goalposts its how literally every issue works. Only people who don't want to win settle for "reasonable goals" because in actuality the other side will happily shift the goal posts the other way until they have a decidedly one sided situation.
The content industry would prefer the all content is charged per view based on who is in the same room as the screen with differentiated costs based on market and even consumer. To enforce them they would prefer all computers be so locked down they are effectively paid for and maintained by you but owned by them with the right to reach over the wire and destroy your hardware if they find you are using it in a way they don't approve of. [1]
They also want veto right over roll out of any new tech that might change the amount of money they are apt to make. Example the VCR, netflix etc.
In return consumers want everything to be completely free with no ads with a great interface and Hatch to be launched into space with no space suit.
We can probably settle in between on something like compulsory licensing like radio play so that any service can offer any video and the creators always get paid. Let copyright holders set the rate but offer the same to all parties
[1] In case you didn't catch it, during a Senate Judiciary committee hearing this week on copyright abuse, the chairman -- that'd be Sen. Hatch -- endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."
https://money.cnn.com/2003/06/19/commentary/wastler/wastler/