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Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by sudosysgen » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:35 PM UTC

eternalban wrote: post #239

sudosysgen wrote: post #238

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I read carefully. Das Kapital has nothing to do with the Iranian government of today or at any time, neither do the Soviets. The structure of the governments are incomparable, and that book talks almost exclusively about economics. It's completely devoid of sense. By the way, Plato's Republic is in large part a critique of Democracy, just FYI. Its central thesis is that a just absolute monarch that is well-versed in…

> Das Kapital has nothing to do with the Iranian government of today or at any time I wonder if repeated beating of a strawman constitutes a form of battery? Go easy on the poor guy! The "the absolute wilayat al-'amr" [Article 57] [see note] is Plato's philospher king. It has no basis whatsoever in Shia Islam. Khomeini was an ambitious and worldly mullah, and on entirely different plane than all the other actors in t…

I agree with most of what you said, but that still doesn't adress my original criticism of the comment. It's just that I just can't see the parallel between the structure of the IRI and that of the Soviet Union. They're only really similar in that they are dictatorships by a ruling class, but the Soviet system is seriously much more flexible, capable of reform, and unlike the Iranian system in theory and in a world free of corruption, would actually be fully reformable by the people, and indeed was in the end - see Gorbachev, much to the willingness of the people. Whereas the Iranian system fundamentally is unreformable and has little pretense of democracy.

Actually, did the Iranian Revolutionaries really copy the structure of Iran, I'd bet Iran would be in a much better position right now - either similar to China, or much more democratic.

And yes, a big criticism I have of the Arab left too is their almost delusional characterization of Islam, but I digress.

Also, I was unsure which way the substitution was going, which is why I also made the other criticism, but now I can see clearly that you meant that the IRI is based on Plato's idea in the Republic, which I can see is defensible.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by LegitShady » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 2:15 AM UTC

free_rms wrote: post #205

msla wrote: post #203

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Again, dragging another system entirely into the conversation is non sequitur . Also, I just find it interesting you feel compelled to defend a dictatorship.

It's a comparison of different methods of social control. An interesting conversation, IMO at least. "Bad guys bad!" is much less interesting, especially when it's only the bad guys you've been told to hate.

I would disagree with you except the result of the 2016 democrat primary was a lawsuit where the democrats argued and won on the basis that party nominations are not democratic even within the party.

https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-was...

That being said still not a theocracy.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by free_rms » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:12 AM UTC

LegitShady wrote: post #242

free_rms wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a comparison of different methods of social control. An interesting conversation, IMO at least. "Bad guys bad!" is much less interesting, especially when it's only the bad guys you've been told to hate.

I would disagree with you except the result of the 2016 democrat primary was a lawsuit where the democrats argued and won on the basis that party nominations are not democratic even within the party. https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-was... That being said still not a theocracy.

The flavor difference is what's interesting.

In the US, the allowed opinions are actually a tiny band, socially enforced. You don't get to be an opinion maker unless you're in band.

Technically we're way freer, but practically? A little bit at best.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by Thelordofalamut » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

yiddishe-kop wrote: post #211

Hi, PR author here. I wrote a blog post with my personal perspective here: https://blog.yiddishe-kop.com/posts/my-pr-was-denied-by-iran...

I just want to let you know the guy is being an asshole. To get a position in government job or something. IRGC doesn't check people's merges on github. His actions are personal choice. You are very welcome to contribute to other Iranian projects.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by LegitShady » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

free_rms wrote: post #243

LegitShady wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would disagree with you except the result of the 2016 democrat primary was a lawsuit where the democrats argued and won on the basis that party nominations are not democratic even within the party. https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-was... That being said still not a theocracy.

The flavor difference is what's interesting. In the US, the allowed opinions are actually a tiny band, socially enforced. You don't get to be an opinion maker unless you're in band. Technically we're way freer, but practically? A little bit at best.

I think if you believe the America portrayed on the news you may come to believe that. But social enforcement whatever you mean by that is much different than being thrown in jail for protesting the government while in the us they've been rioting for 90 days almost without repercussion.

The real world difference is huge no matter how you try to portray it.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by ZeikJT » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #230

tssva wrote: post #139

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An Iranian wrestler was just given two death sentences for participating in peaceful protests regarding economic policies, so someone being jailed or executed for merging a GitHub PR is not wildly out of possibility.

You are leaving out a very important piece of detail. The reason he was sentenced to death is that he was convicted of murdering someone during the protest. You can argue that he is not the murderer and it was pinned on him. You might be even right. But it is undeniable that someone was murdered in the protest, and that his sentence was because he was convicted of his murder. Had there not been a dead body on the gro…

If they're willing to implicate an innocent person, don't you think they might also fabricate a crime?