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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by Matthias247 »

ResearchAtPlay wrote: post #113
angst_ridden wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current approval time for residency applications is 49 months. I'm sure it's less for straight-up worker visas, though. EDIT: I was not sufficiently precise. I'm not speaking of Express Entry / skills-based applications here. If you have a high score in the CRS system, you are eligible for other programs which may be much faster.

According to IRCC, 80% of Express Entry applications for permanent residency are approved on less than 6 months [1]. There are many different residency programs, some of which take longer than others, but the Express Entry program is probably the default option for most HN readers. [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... economic immigration > skilled worker (federal) > I haven't applied y…

I can confirm it was about 6 month - before Covid. Since then some parts of the government slowed down, and processing might take much longer. For a step that should typically have taken up to 6 weeks I had to wait 4 month.

But since things normalize it might now be getting better again.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by Scoundreller »

refurb wrote: post #105
pmiller2 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of "blocking... Fleetwood Mac," a number of hip hop and rap artists have been denied entry to Canada due to their criminal records. For instance: > Entry to Canada may be a challenge to those with a record of criminal conviction, including celebrities looking to perform in Canada. Many rappers, including DMX, The Game, Lil Wayne, Coolio and 50 Cent, have been denied entry to Canada and unable to attend their…

I'm actually completely fine with this. If your average citizen with a felony can't gain entry, why should we make an exception for a celebrity?

And even then, they can still get an exception, it’s just a good idea to get it in advance through an immigration lawyer. It’s called a TRP:

https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=152...

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by Scoundreller »

xuki wrote: post #51
jdright wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The funny thing is that if he had gone work as a temporary worker in Canada, two years would have given him permanent resident status. Then two more years he can become a citizen, then he would be free to enter USA. This would be faster and better solution overall. But anyways, I don't think it is ever worth the trouble going there.

That’s not how it works. Only U.S. citizens have the right to enter the country. Canadians can be denied at port of entry.

While correct, it’s not clear at what level Daniel has been “banned“. He was denied an ESTA and told to get a visa, but that hasn’t been denied (yet?). Canadians need neither, so he might be cool if he showed up at a PoE, or maybe not.

And a visa/ESTA isn’t required for most Europeans arriving at a land Port of Entry, so who knows what would happen then. But they do ask more questions when you don’t have an ESTA.

I guess if the USA wanted to arrest him, they would’ve been very fast at granting a visa.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by kingofpandora »

Matthias247 wrote: post #151
ResearchAtPlay wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to IRCC, 80% of Express Entry applications for permanent residency are approved on less than 6 months [1]. There are many different residency programs, some of which take longer than others, but the Express Entry program is probably the default option for most HN readers. [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... economic immigration > skilled worker (federal) > I haven't applied y…

I can confirm it was about 6 month - before Covid. Since then some parts of the government slowed down, and processing might take much longer. For a step that should typically have taken up to 6 weeks I had to wait 4 month. But since things normalize it might now be getting better again.

I know PRs can enter Canada right now but you don't get your PR until you land, so is it possible for new immigrants to come at the moment with the restrictions on entry?

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by wenc »

jdright wrote: post #42
dwheeler wrote: post #4

This is absurd. I'm a US citizen, so I'll contact my Congressman to have his staff look into it. I don't have any special power, any US citizen can contact their congressman, but maybe that will kick-start something.

The funny thing is that if he had gone work as a temporary worker in Canada, two years would have given him permanent resident status. Then two more years he can become a citizen, then he would be free to enter USA. This would be faster and better solution overall. But anyways, I don't think it is ever worth the trouble going there.

Hmm, becoming Canadian just to enter the USA seems like a difficult and roundabout way of going about it....

I'm reading Daniel's page and it seems to me that a number of commenters here are confusing his intent, which is "visiting", not "immigration". I've noticed that in the US, people tend to use the word "immigrate" for anyone trying to get into the country, whereas the word immigrate has a much more specific meaning. Technically, to "immigrate" means to apply for permanent residency -- i.e. to stay in a country indefinitely, and to live and work here. That is decidedly NOT what he's trying to do.

(I guess it's fair since most people don't have actual experience with immigration, so the term is a little fuzzy.)

Daniel is trying to "visit" the US temporarily and leave after. The long and the short of it seems to be:

1) Daniel is citizen of Sweden.

2) Under US law, citizens of Sweden qualify for the Visa-Waiver-Program (VWP), which means they do not require a visa to visit the U.S. for tourism, business or transit.

3) A few years ago, the US (and other countries, including Canada) introduced an additional requirement as a security measure: electronic pre-authorization or ESTA in case of the US [1] (which incidentally is NOT a visa). This means citizens of countries (in the VWP) who could previously enter the US with nothing but a passport, now had to apply for an ESTA online (which takes anywhere between 3 seconds to 3 days to get approved). Again the ESTA is not a visa -- only a pre-auth. Citizens of these countries still do not require a visa to enter the U.S.

4) Daniel has applied for ESTAs many times, and was approved many times before, but the last time he applied, he was denied.

5) When a VWP citizen is denied an ESTA and still wishes to visit the US, they have the option of applying for a regular visitor visa the old-fashioned way, at a US consulate/embassy. This is a lengthier and more bureaucratic process -- which presumably involves more thorough vetting.

6) Daniel still hasn't received his visitor visa.

(Side note: the only 2 countries whose citizens have "visa-free" access to the U.S. are Canada and Bermuda [2]. Citizens of these countries do not require ESTAs).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_System_for_Travel_A...

[2] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-...

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by CarbyAu »

CarbyAu wrote: post #34
setpatchaddress wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

A while back I liked the idea of visiting the US, buying a motorbike and travelling around a bit. But since Trump I really feel on balance that I'd much rather go to many other places in the world instead. Maybe not China/Russia though...

Curious, why the downvotes?

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by cvhashim »

switch11 wrote: post #117
celim307 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Montreal in particular is blowing up as a tech hub

I run a startup in Montreal can attest to that level of talent is insane Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal are all blowing up thank you US for sending all the best techies to Canada

If Trump wins in November this will continue for the rest of the decade.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by wenc »

trhway wrote: post #83
angst_ridden wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current approval time for residency applications is 49 months. I'm sure it's less for straight-up worker visas, though. EDIT: I was not sufficiently precise. I'm not speaking of Express Entry / skills-based applications here. If you have a high score in the CRS system, you are eligible for other programs which may be much faster.

> 49 months wow. A decade ago Canada specifically targeted H1Bs promising 6 months special fast trek instead of the typical 18 back then. Interesting why such a change since then - too many applicants and/or budget cuts? Edit in response to the comment below: i'm talking about permanent residency - the points, etc - not just work visa.

Express Entry is about permanent residency, not work visa.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by [deleted] »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #70
MattyMc wrote: post #49

Canada is benefiting substantially from the recent US immigration policies. My Ai team at Microsoft Canada was stacked with talent, all immigrants, and most expressed to me that they would have “normally gone to the US.” I don’t have to remind this community of the laundry list of tech giants started by immigrants. However, if anyone outside the US is reading this we’d love to have you in Canada. Come here, please.

I am inside the US, and would love to be in Canada instead. How is it getting work visas for USA-ians?

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by ashtonkem »

petschge wrote: post #44
ashtonkem wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think you need a visa to travel through the international terminal in America, do you?

You do. The US does not do "sterile transit". That was a major hazzle for (former) colleagues from South Africa.

That is really bizarre. From an outsiders view, sterile transit seems extremely intuitive; forcing people to buy a visa if their plane gets fuel in the US just seems annoying.
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