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Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by klyrs »

konbaji wrote: post #58
MattyMc wrote: post #49

Canada is benefiting substantially from the recent US immigration policies. My Ai team at Microsoft Canada was stacked with talent, all immigrants, and most expressed to me that they would have “normally gone to the US.” I don’t have to remind this community of the laundry list of tech giants started by immigrants. However, if anyone outside the US is reading this we’d love to have you in Canada. Come here, please.

If this trend continues US will likely see this as an act of aggression by Canada. They can't just "take all the talent". Canada should be careful or US will push for annexation.

I doubt that would be the tipping point; probably oil or access to the Arctic. But Trump is super popular in rural Canada.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by jrochkind1 »

bigtones wrote: post #17

One of the most common reason to be denied an ESTA of a Visa to the United States is because of a criminal conviction or a criminal charge in your home country. I'm not saying this is the case here, but that is one of the most common reasons. Then again, it might be just because he's a "hacker".

Would that normally result in a fairly quick rejection though, instead of a couple years with no response?

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by angst_ridden »

angst_ridden wrote: post #62
MattyMc wrote: post #49

Canada is benefiting substantially from the recent US immigration policies. My Ai team at Microsoft Canada was stacked with talent, all immigrants, and most expressed to me that they would have “normally gone to the US.” I don’t have to remind this community of the laundry list of tech giants started by immigrants. However, if anyone outside the US is reading this we’d love to have you in Canada. Come here, please.

The current approval time for residency applications is 49 months. I'm sure it's less for straight-up worker visas, though. EDIT: I was not sufficiently precise. I'm not speaking of Express Entry / skills-based applications here. If you have a high score in the CRS system, you are eligible for other programs which may be much faster.

Er, correction, that's the time to get to review for a residency applications. I'm not sure how long it takes once the application gets into review.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by jldugger »

kortilla wrote: post #23
q3k wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd much rather have Daniel's brain here in the US than anywhere else. This sentence strikes me as very odd, and I can't quite put my finger on as to why. Like - why? Why does it matter? Is this some sort of competition? Is this like poaching talent into your company? Do you feel pride from sharing a territory with someone important?

The network effects of intelligent people in your country are positive. On average, you want their voting behavior, their parenting skills, their risk assessments, their economic and tax contributions, and their cultural contributions.

Unfortunately, he's not trying to vote, raise children in the US, or earn money. He just wanted to tell people how to write better software (conference speaker) and his non-immigrant visa is apparently not forthcoming.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by jrochkind1 »

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5
lacker wrote: post #2

I’m sad to hear it. A lot of people are denied entry to the US for their entire lifetimes; I am sad for all of them.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

I do know several musicians who used to tour in the US, but now simply choose not to. Even if you get in, you are treated like shit at the border.

This country is in a bad way.

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Post by awalton »

dwheeler wrote: post #4

This is absurd. I'm a US citizen, so I'll contact my Congressman to have his staff look into it. I don't have any special power, any US citizen can contact their congressman, but maybe that will kick-start something.

Unless you're a billionaire who can actually get a Congressperson on the phone, you're burning cycles. They've got an army of staff that do nothing but write stock replies, print and sign documents with stamps and mail them back to constituents.

That's what involvement in our government has become in America - a bunch of people shouting into an endless void, and the people in power doing more or less whatever fits their needs most at that particular moment.

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Post by taneq »

bfuclusion wrote: post #8

$5 says this is stuck in some bureaucratic sinkhole somewhere. Barring a _good_ reason, I'd much rather have Daniel's brain here in the US than anywhere else.

Speaking as someone from anywhere else, I'd rather have smart people outside the U.S. so they're less exposed to the maelstrom of suck which is currently engulfing the country.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by ilaksh »

svnpenn wrote: post #39

If you know Daniel, you know that this is one of the stupidest things the US government could possibly do regarding immigration. Daniel is literally one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today. He created cURL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL A program so ubiquitous that it comes preinstalled on every mainstream OS, even Windows. It has bindings for Rust, D, PHP and God knows how many other language…

To me it's just another explicit example of how the current government structure is obsolete.

And I know people will say that it's just the current government is a bad apple. But why do they have the ability to screw things so fundamentally here anyway? And if people think they are going to supposedly get a "good" government next time, I can pretty much guarantee if you like the next government you will hate the one after it. Because it swings between extremes.

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Post by srtjstjsj »

CamTin wrote: post #50
vageli wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. > I fundamentally disagree with you, but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint. Is there any country with unfettered immigration?

The United States before 1924 for one. Passports and travel documents didn't really exist at all until Napoleonic-ish times and weren't widespread until about WWI. I personally feel that defining "citizen" in any other way than "people who are currently living here" is a form of apartheid and antithetical to our constitution.

Part of why immigration law is so confusing and contradictory is that the framers of the Constitution had no concept of someone living in a country (with intent to stay) and not being a citizen. Even slaves and women were considered citizens.
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