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Anxiety, depression, and PTSD may be adaptive responses to adversity: study

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Re: Anxiety, depression, and PTSD may be adaptive responses to adversity: study

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Post by podgaj »

zepto wrote: post #156
elliekelly wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You see, depression is fundamentally and immune disorder. We react negatively to something in the environment, like a bad job or marriage. This is an atrociously overly simplistic statement. There are plenty of people who suffer from depression despite having everything going for them. A person can have not a single thing in the world to complain about and still have depression.

“A person can not have a single thing in the world to complain about” What person?

Gautama Buddha! =)

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Post by podgaj »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #141
podgaj wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More certain than ever actually: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266635462... Regarding oxygen use during running, it is already something: https://trainright.com/hyperoxic-training-little-know-traini...

As best I can tell there's not implication of causation there - it could be that depression causes the immune disorder, just as it causes any other number of conditions. I don't know the value in assuming we can categorize it like that. I assume with the oxygen thing you're intentionally missing my point which is that a regular momentary disruption isn't considered a disorder.

I agree with you, depression alters the immune system and the immune system can cause depression. But it is through the immune system that we feel the effect.

"momentary disruption isn't considered a disorder"

By definition it is. Duration is irrelevant. My panic attacks can last for only 2 minutes.

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Post by kej »

_ywdj wrote: post #158

Out of necessity (after existing conventional treatments offered little help) I've been conducting a 10+ year self-experiment related to this topic. Like others have described, when I started experiencing symptoms of conditions resembling anxiety, depression, ADHD, mild bipolar, paranoia and CFS/ME, I initially sought mainstream medical psychiatric treatment and undertook talk therapy and was prescribed anti-anxiety…

>an approach that involves identifying and releasing traumas, attitudes, behavioural patterns, self-perceptions and defense mechanisms that are held in the subconscious mind

Could you elaborate on this part? What does "identifying and releasing" look like, in practice?

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Post by iamdbtoo »

_ywdj wrote: post #158

Out of necessity (after existing conventional treatments offered little help) I've been conducting a 10+ year self-experiment related to this topic. Like others have described, when I started experiencing symptoms of conditions resembling anxiety, depression, ADHD, mild bipolar, paranoia and CFS/ME, I initially sought mainstream medical psychiatric treatment and undertook talk therapy and was prescribed anti-anxiety…

This has been my experience as well, but I found it through talk therapy, medication and some philosophy.

Almost all of my negative emotions on a day to day basis are generated by defenses I developed as a child to make being a kid with undiagnosed ADHD workable. It worked while I was a kid, but became untenable as I got older.

Once I discovered the ADHD as a basis for this thinking, everything started falling into place and as I started exposing these thought patterns to myself, they started going away.

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Post by RankingMember »

_ywdj wrote: post #158

Out of necessity (after existing conventional treatments offered little help) I've been conducting a 10+ year self-experiment related to this topic. Like others have described, when I started experiencing symptoms of conditions resembling anxiety, depression, ADHD, mild bipolar, paranoia and CFS/ME, I initially sought mainstream medical psychiatric treatment and undertook talk therapy and was prescribed anti-anxiety…

Can you give us an example of one of the techniques you used?

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Post by vanderZwan »

_ywdj wrote: post #158

Out of necessity (after existing conventional treatments offered little help) I've been conducting a 10+ year self-experiment related to this topic. Like others have described, when I started experiencing symptoms of conditions resembling anxiety, depression, ADHD, mild bipolar, paranoia and CFS/ME, I initially sought mainstream medical psychiatric treatment and undertook talk therapy and was prescribed anti-anxiety…

While I'm very happy that this worked out for you, and I'm also sure that your scenario will apply to others, maybe even many people, even then I have to add a word of caution: generalizing from the experiences of one person to all psychological conditions would be a scientifically unsound position to take (I know that this not what you are saying, but it is possible to walk away with that conclusion).

For example, many of the issues that you mentioned (anxiety, depression, etc) are symptoms that can have wildly varying causes. It's similar to, say, a fever: if you have a fever it can be completely different reason than what causes it for someone else: one can develop a fever from an infection, or from stress alone - so a psychosomatic cause. It's even possible to have chronic fever due to brain damage! It has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis

Re: Anxiety, depression, and PTSD may be adaptive responses to adversity: study

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Post by podgaj »

least wrote: post #145
podgaj wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. Yes, a strawman and so frustrating since I literally have the metabolic and genetic proof that I found out what was causing my mood disorder. And as a result the doctors are providing better and different treatment. This what this "layman" discovered.

Do you or don't you have a disorder? In the first post you made in this thread you very clearly stated you don't. Now you're saying you do. The problem with your post is that you very discretely stated that you don't have a disorder even though you admit to being bipolar. Despite the fact that your "difference" has pushed you to suicide attempts, psychosis, and more. The fact that an effective treatment for you speci…

I only have the disorder when I have symptoms. You get it? Those symptoms are caused by my diet and environment.

I am not "Bipolar" because everyone is bipolar, every one has these states, mine are just more extreme when faced with environmental challenges.

If someone has a peanut allergy do they have a disease or a disorder? no, they have a different response when exposed to peanuts.

I use the term Bipolar Disorder because that is what people understand and it is the current medical terminology.

As far as your idiotic comment about the medication I need everyone and a while. Well, have you ever taken as aspirin for a headache? Same thing. The aspirin is only needed when you have a headache. Do you have a headache disorder still?

What I am suffering from was clinically diagnosed. I am no longer considered by my doctors to have Bipolar Disorder. Isn't that crazy!? After 35 years of being told this?

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Post by least »

zepto wrote: post #160
least wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you or don't you have a disorder? In the first post you made in this thread you very clearly stated you don't. Now you're saying you do. The problem with your post is that you very discretely stated that you don't have a disorder even though you admit to being bipolar. Despite the fact that your "difference" has pushed you to suicide attempts, psychosis, and more. The fact that an effective treatment for you speci…

The viewpoint that bipolar (and other brain differences) is a difference rather than a disorder can enable a person to have self compassion, and find peace and self acceptance, even though the condition will continue to affect them. The idea that it’s a disorder and can be treated as such is a reasonable hypothesis for medical science to pursue, but that is all it is. Outside of that it’s just a source of stigma and…

The viewpoint is based in the reality we live in where we stigmatize abnormality. The correct response isn't to try and normalize abnormality, but to try and remove the stigma surrounding it. Suggesting that it is normal actually creates a stigma for those who are suffering from it from pursuing treatment because they're supposed to feel that way because it's "normal."

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Post by astrocat »

_ywdj wrote: post #158

Out of necessity (after existing conventional treatments offered little help) I've been conducting a 10+ year self-experiment related to this topic. Like others have described, when I started experiencing symptoms of conditions resembling anxiety, depression, ADHD, mild bipolar, paranoia and CFS/ME, I initially sought mainstream medical psychiatric treatment and undertook talk therapy and was prescribed anti-anxiety…

The Trauma of the Gifted Child by Alice Miller is probably a good read to throw in here if this is the direction you're looking to explore - especially if you can get an early edition that hasn't been watered down. Some of her perspectives into experiences as a child that are commonly accepted as "normal" but are often experienced by the child as trauma and grow into dysfunction as adults were interesting.
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