Why has college gotten so expensive in the last 30 years? A blank check in 1993

Post by narag » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 3:27 AM UTC

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A lot of the cost of American college doesn't go towards education but things like sports stadiums and teams, various non-academic events, administrators, various other non-academic staff, uniquely-expensive American legal costs and insurance, on-campus police (a big wtf for Europeans), and then there are also those people who decide which Halloween costumes are appropriate for students, investigate various misconduc…

> Americans expect college campuses to be like resorts You say that but the typical dorm room offers no privacy or air conditioning, and the showers and bathrooms are shared. They're similar in nature to SROs which the US pretty much abolished anywhere else, but way more expensive. And then universities have the audacity to demand that students live in them freshman year, even though living off campus would be cheape…

Post by kart23 » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 3:36 AM UTC

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It is difficult to overstate how mistaken this article is. College has mostly gotten more expensive because state support for public universities has dramatically decreased, from over 80% in the 1970's to less than 20% now. Since the taxpayer no longer pays for public higher education, the student does. The logic of this made some sense at the time; very high tuition subsidies were a gift to the upper middle and uppe…

California's CSU system has more than half a million undergraduate students. Tuition and fees are still not much more than $8,000 a year. You can still get a very good education for not a lot of money. Just a comparison: San Jose State University (public) and Santa Clara University (private) are less than ten miles from each other. Tuition at SJSU is $7,852 (+ fees). Tuition at SCU is $53,634. Yes, SCU has labs with…

Post by ampdepolymerase » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 3:45 AM UTC

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...demand that students live in them freshman year What? I've been watching movies and series made in USA for decades and didn't know that. I assumed that students living there was a way to save money or the parents wanted it. I had no idea it was required. If it's in the same city, can students just keep living with their parents?

> If it's in the same city, can students just keep living with their parents? The uni I worked for eventually rolled out that policy after the initial "all freshmen live in dorms now" backlash, but it's a tiny fraction of the student population whose parents live in town. State unis are deliberately located away from the population centers, for obscure reasons involving a mistrust of European politics.

Post by seibelj » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 3:54 AM UTC

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Europeans are utterly unable to create new global enterprises at the rate of America and China, apart from a few odd balls like Spotify. Different places optimize for different things, for better and worse.

> Europeans are utterly unable to create new global enterprises at the rate of America and China, Having a homogeneous, single-language, single market of 350 million, and 1.4 billion people, respectively, is an enormous competitive advantage that Europe cannot replicate, without doing away with sovereignty and brainwashing ~80% of its population. And despite all that, the quality of life of the average European is pr…

Post by zamfi » Wed, Sep 02, 2020, 4:00 AM UTC

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No, the cost to tax payers in Europe is less than what people in USA have to pay the college. This is because my University (in Europe) had no sport facilities whatsoever , not even a soccer field. It also had no dormitories, canteens, no fancy library, sport teams etc. It did teaching + research, and nothing else.

> had no sport facilities whatsoever, not even a soccer field. It also had no dormitories, canteens, no fancy library, sport teams etc. Sports teams and dorms are no where near the top of the ticket of University expenses. Many of the Ivies hardly invest in sports and still come with a 60k ticket. American private universities are more expensive because American universities hire more administrative faculty and pay t…