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Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by biztos »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #7

Can someone help me understand the relationship between phone hardware and carriers in the US? I recently bought a new, unlocked Samsung phone on Amazon. When I put a Verizon SIM card into it, a Verizon-specific firmware module got added. I don't understand why that would be necessary. Asking because I'm attracted to the idea of a phone I truly control, but not sure what that means for carrier compatibility.

Not sure how helpful this is, but I know that Verizon requires some kind of special sauce that the other GSM carriers do not.

I got a Verizon SIM recently and it would not work in my iPhone 8, which I bought in Germany. Fortunately the salesperson thought to ask if it was a foreign phone! Turns out Apple only sells the Verizon-compatible phones in the US, but doesn't exactly broadcast that fact elsewhere.

The Android (or Linux) situation is probably different in the details, but not in principle.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by megous »

Wheaties466 wrote: post #71
ohazi wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having used Manjaro personally, what's the advantage here? My impression was that it was essentially Arch with a user friendly installer and possibly some nicer defaults. This seems desirable if you're setting up a PC, but is there really added value there if you're building a ROM image for a phone? It seems like you'd be doing a ton of manual installing and configuring anyway, since it's such an unusual target c…

I have used manjaro on my personal laptop for the past 4+ years and I share the same sentiment. Great for a computer but I'm not sure what value is added on the pine phone.

What all of these distros basically do is some non-trivial amount of integration of existing software, and configuring/patching it for PinePhone, presumably.

Not sure about manjaro specifically, but it looks like it will be another phosh based distro. Their forum will probably have more info eventually:

https://forum.manjaro.org/t/pinephone-will-ship-with-manjaro...

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by megous »

boogies wrote: post #100
megous wrote: post #90

Anyway, with all those distros piling up for PinePhone, I finally decided to release p-boot with display support and GUI multi-boot menu. https://xnux.eu/p-boot/ I'll make some multi-boot SD card demo image next, perhaps with postmarket, arch linux, mobian and ubuntu touch. :)

(nitpicks) blue text ≠ links → grumpy reader “opesource” typo under “Support the project” (loader itself) too simple and speedy, fast and flawless to criticize, complain, or comment

Thanks, fixed. :)

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by bwanab »

deepstack wrote: post #29
candiddevmike wrote: post #17

I personally would avoid anything Manjaro related due to recurring controversies around the project leadership: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hxpj87/change_in_man... I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead.

I wish PinePhone would partner with Arch or Debian instead. Word. Debian is great! In the past when I see people using Ubuntu, I always wondered why? It is so interesting how people in tech just fall into the fashion trap.

In 2006, I had a brand new asus laptop. I first tried To install Debian. Then I tried Fedora, or Redhat, I don’t remember when that split was. My next try was Ubuntu, which went without a hitch. Since it’s always worked for me, I’ve stuck with it.

This was after several years of running Redhat, Suse and Debian on desktops, so I wasn’t a newbie.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by megous »

oropolo wrote: post #33
vinay427 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of apps I use and depend on that work fine without Google services. Signal comes to mind, for instance. I agree that a better template would be great, but I can't imagine we'll get there anytime soon, and I would love to use my PinePhone as a daily driver in the near future. I won't do this without a few key apps that don't have direct alternatives considering some people with whom I would like to…

> I agree that a better template would be great... Is there a serious effort on this front? At the very least a mobile version of Electron[1] applications would be a great interim step: you just need a browser for the UI and performance-critical bits can be written in C/C++ for accuracy and speed. Ultimately a modular UI paradigm can replace the dependence on a browser but that is likely years down the road. [1] Cord…

You can run electron on PinePhone in fullscreen, it works as you'd expect.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by boogies »

megous wrote: post #103
boogies wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(nitpicks) blue text ≠ links → grumpy reader “opesource” typo under “Support the project” (loader itself) too simple and speedy, fast and flawless to criticize, complain, or comment

Thanks, fixed. :)

You’re welcome :)

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by josteink »

megous wrote: post #90

Anyway, with all those distros piling up for PinePhone, I finally decided to release p-boot with display support and GUI multi-boot menu. https://xnux.eu/p-boot/ I'll make some multi-boot SD card demo image next, perhaps with postmarket, arch linux, mobian and ubuntu touch. :)

Awesome project. Honestly worth a post if its own.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by cookiengineer »

josteink wrote: post #41

I pre-ordered the PmOS community edition, and it's getting delivered tomorrow. From what I can tell, this is the same HW, but without a different distro pre-loaded. I'm super-stoked to try out the different distros, and will definitely give Manjaro a shot too :)

> I pre-ordered the PmOS community edition, and it's getting delivered tomorrow.

How did you get notified? I didn't receive any email since my purchase (I only have the receipt). Contacted sales@pine64 and opened up a support ticket, but haven't got any replies from them.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by pineyboi »

vinay427 wrote: post #26
mikece wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They do not, at least not yet. And hopefully never. Almost all Android apps rely on the closed-source GMS for essential functionality (eg: push notifications). There will need to be an open alternative to GMS if the goal is to support Android apps but a better idea would be to abandon Android as template basis going forward.

There are a number of apps I use and depend on that work fine without Google services. Signal comes to mind, for instance. I agree that a better template would be great, but I can't imagine we'll get there anytime soon, and I would love to use my PinePhone as a daily driver in the near future. I won't do this without a few key apps that don't have direct alternatives considering some people with whom I would like to…

There's some work being done to make Signal work more natively on Linux (though not from Moxie directly)

This is a daemon that provides an API for signal

https://git.callpipe.com/finn/signald

This is a libpurple plugin for it (Pidgin messenger, or even irssi, Weechat etc)

https://github.com/hoehermann/libpurple-signald

Chatty, the SMS messenger that works in Phosh also supports libpurple plugins, so presumably Signal could work alongside SMS (The SMS feature itself is a libpurple plugin IIRC)

https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/chatty

I've used libpurple-signald with irssi and it works alright. It's not feature complete yet by a long shot, but much nicer to interact with than the Electron bloat.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by ncmncm »

Const-me wrote: post #31

I wonder are there similar devices with 3-4” displays instead of 6”? I don’t even need purposely-built Linux phone, I am OK getting one with Android and installing Linux myself. I want modern hardware (LTE, GLES 3.1, ideally optical camera stabilization), reasonably new Linux kernel, and good software support for basic functions (touch screen, phone, SMS, camera, web browser).

It is effectively impossible to install an upstream kernel on random phone hardware. It is very hard to field a phone that can take a kernel without proprietary blobs tied to a particular ancient kernel. So, there are two live efforts in that direction, PinePhone and Librem 5.
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