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Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by fsflover »

Wheaties466 wrote: post #71
ohazi wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having used Manjaro personally, what's the advantage here? My impression was that it was essentially Arch with a user friendly installer and possibly some nicer defaults. This seems desirable if you're setting up a PC, but is there really added value there if you're building a ROM image for a phone? It seems like you'd be doing a ton of manual installing and configuring anyway, since it's such an unusual target c…

I have used manjaro on my personal laptop for the past 4+ years and I share the same sentiment. Great for a computer but I'm not sure what value is added on the pine phone.

Convergence?

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by tpxl »

megous wrote: post #64
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #32

I see several comments questioning the choice of Manjaro on PinePhone, but as the name suggests it's Community Edition after all; Those who want Manjaro on smartphone, now have a device to develop for . I think, the way Pine64 is pushing these CE devices is smart and definitely a positive step for overall pure Linux smartphone ecosystem. But, I'm also hearing great things about Mobian[1] on PinePhone and AFAIK it's b…

Lot of the projects pinephone depends on are developed just by a bunch of talented individuals. Majority of the PinePhone specific bootloader/firwmare/kernel driver work and upstreaming is done by maybe 3 individuals, neither of whom are associated with any of the distros supported so far, AFAIK. And you can't have a working distro without a working kernel. A lot of value is based on the results of linux-sunxi.org pr…

How/where does one contribute? Is there a guide specifically for this (phone/pinephone development). I couldn't quite figure it out from the mobian repo ):

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by hcal »

slantyyz wrote: post #54

Does anyone know if you can heavily customize the user interface of the PinePhone? The reason why I'm asking is that I have yet to find a feature phone or smartphone that my father (in his 80s) can use. He basically doesn't want to learn new things, and he's more interested in learning/memorizing repeatable steps than intuiting how to do things by reading text on the screen. All he needs is the ability to make/receiv…

I guess it depends on what you're looking for. I've seen people working on customizing SWAY to be a super simple launcher. With a little effort you could probably create a simple menu launcher for that. You can run anything* that runs linux & arm so I'm sure something could be done without much code.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by fsflover »

slantyyz wrote: post #54

Does anyone know if you can heavily customize the user interface of the PinePhone? The reason why I'm asking is that I have yet to find a feature phone or smartphone that my father (in his 80s) can use. He basically doesn't want to learn new things, and he's more interested in learning/memorizing repeatable steps than intuiting how to do things by reading text on the screen. All he needs is the ability to make/receiv…

> Does anyone know if you can heavily customize the user interface of the PinePhone

Absolutely. Some guy even made his own cool and geeky interface: https://sr.ht/~mil/Sxmo/

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by hideevidence »

megous wrote: post #90

Anyway, with all those distros piling up for PinePhone, I finally decided to release p-boot with display support and GUI multi-boot menu. https://xnux.eu/p-boot/ I'll make some multi-boot SD card demo image next, perhaps with postmarket, arch linux, mobian and ubuntu touch. :)

Your work is impressive! What's amazing is the mere seconds you see a productive screen in. Android takes full 30 seconds for me.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by megous »

tpxl wrote: post #92
megous wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lot of the projects pinephone depends on are developed just by a bunch of talented individuals. Majority of the PinePhone specific bootloader/firwmare/kernel driver work and upstreaming is done by maybe 3 individuals, neither of whom are associated with any of the distros supported so far, AFAIK. And you can't have a working distro without a working kernel. A lot of value is based on the results of linux-sunxi.org pr…

How/where does one contribute? Is there a guide specifically for this (phone/pinephone development). I couldn't quite figure it out from the mobian repo ):

Icenowy did the initial board bringup, I think: https://github.com/Icenowy

I don't know if Samuel accepts donations, but his contact info is here: https://sholland.org/about/ (he's responsible for the huge power saving optimizations that PinePhone got this year, and for the sound codec improvements, that were necessary for making calls work)

And I have a page here: https://xnux.eu/contribute.html

As for the mobian I don't know. I don't follow distributions that much.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by megous »

hideevidence wrote: post #95
megous wrote: post #90

Anyway, with all those distros piling up for PinePhone, I finally decided to release p-boot with display support and GUI multi-boot menu. https://xnux.eu/p-boot/ I'll make some multi-boot SD card demo image next, perhaps with postmarket, arch linux, mobian and ubuntu touch. :)

Your work is impressive! What's amazing is the mere seconds you see a productive screen in. Android takes full 30 seconds for me.

That requires a customized PID 1 init program and a lightweight GUI (that map app is just ~10MiB of code + some code for postgresql that runs in the background) - most of the delay there is waiting for the postgresql to start up, actually.

Arch Linux to some lightweight GUI based on Xorg/i3wm takes about 8s. Similar for my Electron/X11 fullscreen based GUI for the phone (also in the video). Both are much larger.

Sadly, the Linux userspace is quite bloated, and the limiting factor is loading times from storage to RAM. You basically need to load >200 MiB of binaries/.so files to have anything useable running.

With eMMC speed of ~85MiB/s and SD card speed of 25MiB/s max for sequential reads only, you get the picture of where the most of the delay is.

Re: PinePhone Manjaro Community Edition

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Post by boogies »

megous wrote: post #90

Anyway, with all those distros piling up for PinePhone, I finally decided to release p-boot with display support and GUI multi-boot menu. https://xnux.eu/p-boot/ I'll make some multi-boot SD card demo image next, perhaps with postmarket, arch linux, mobian and ubuntu touch. :)

(nitpicks)

blue text ≠ links → grumpy reader

“opesource” typo under “Support the project”

(loader itself)

too simple and speedy, fast and flawless to criticize, complain, or comment

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