No intention to be rude but the Readme page doesn’t seem written by somebody native. I understand that English is basically the only language for technical writing but writing that bad in Italian defies the purpose of this Gem altogether.
Italian Ruby
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Re: Italian Ruby
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
You simply can’t be effective in programming without knowing English. Having few words translated in your language wouldn’t help much. Moreover it is much easier to learn English than learning how to code.
> Moreover it is much easier to learn English than learning how to code. I know many, many people who would disagree.
Re: Italian Ruby
#53The thing is most Italian schools don’t do a great job at teaching English [1]. Students either pay for courses, self-study, or forget. I’m Italian and I don’t agree with the author’s premise that non-native speakers have an additional translation layer (e.g. Italian -> English -> Ruby). It depends on your knowledge of the English language. As you master the language your brain becomes better at context switching; yo…
You simply can’t be effective in programming without knowing English. Having few words translated in your language wouldn’t help much. Moreover it is much easier to learn English than learning how to code.
Re: Italian Ruby
#54The thing is most Italian schools don’t do a great job at teaching English [1]. Students either pay for courses, self-study, or forget. I’m Italian and I don’t agree with the author’s premise that non-native speakers have an additional translation layer (e.g. Italian -> English -> Ruby). It depends on your knowledge of the English language. As you master the language your brain becomes better at context switching; yo…
> We should fix our schools, A large part of the english language problem in the southern Europe (it's not just an italian problem) is cultural. The english language is considerably more embedded in the culture of the northern European countries; for example, there's considerably less dubbing. If Italy stopped dubbing (which will never happen, because it's a tradition), italians would speak a considerably better Engl…
It also does not help that YMMV depending on what region or city you’re living in.
Re: Italian Ruby
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Moreover it is much easier to learn English than learning how to code. I know many, many people who would disagree.
Human languages are intuitive, share some aspects and we have centuries of knowledge on how to learn them. Programming is still a relatively new activity in comparison and requires a set of knowledge that you don’t already get in your youth like speaking does. I also know basic Greek and I can swear it was easier to learn than coding at a professional level.
Re: Italian Ruby
#56Re: Italian Ruby
#57No intention to be rude but the Readme page doesn’t seem written by somebody native. I understand that English is basically the only language for technical writing but writing that bad in Italian defies the purpose of this Gem altogether.
It seems fine to me, there is nothing in it that makes me think it was written by a non native speaker.
Re: Italian Ruby
#58Related stuff: * Claim that word order in Japanese suits ST-style message-passing OOP better than English: https://thoughtbot.com/blog/learning-japanese-the-rubyist-wa... * APL, a language that uses symbols instead of keywords: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language) * Non-English-based PLs on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_... * How does English proficiency co…
I find this conceptually wrong, at least, based on the abstract.
They're looking for a correlation:
> This research is conducted to find out whether the learners' English proficiency correlates or affects the learners' ability or mastery in writing a computer program
which is appropriate, but their conclusion:
> The result of this study can be used as a consideration in improving the teaching of English for Informatics Engineering learners
implies causation, which contradicts their intent.
My point is - there are a lot of variables at play, the simplest being that people who are good in spoken languages, are naturally inclined to learn a computer language (d'oh).
I think a very interesting way to make the research more rigorous, would have been to test with a non-english programming language (although, based on their approach, that would require a whole semester).
Am I missing something?
Re: Italian Ruby
#59The thing is most Italian schools don’t do a great job at teaching English [1]. Students either pay for courses, self-study, or forget. I’m Italian and I don’t agree with the author’s premise that non-native speakers have an additional translation layer (e.g. Italian -> English -> Ruby). It depends on your knowledge of the English language. As you master the language your brain becomes better at context switching; yo…
Re: Italian Ruby
#60The thing is most Italian schools don’t do a great job at teaching English [1]. Students either pay for courses, self-study, or forget. I’m Italian and I don’t agree with the author’s premise that non-native speakers have an additional translation layer (e.g. Italian -> English -> Ruby). It depends on your knowledge of the English language. As you master the language your brain becomes better at context switching; yo…
While I agree that decent English skills are a great thing to have in today's world, you can still escape English quite well, at least in Germany, as long as you don't go into IT, scientific research and simliar niches that do require English; it's taught reasonably well in schools, so most people speak at least some English, but I guess most hardly ever need it. > The technology sector speaks English. You can’t esca…
I didn’t specify it because of the submission being about programming. My bad.
Anyway, yes, your experience matches mine in Italy.