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Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by KirinDave »

oehpr wrote: post #989
KirinDave wrote: post #981

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Because you'd still know everyone who went to a specific site because they'd be sending you unique hash. Even if you ignore that, you'd know what clusters of people all use the same sites, how often and when.

That was the intent of the bloom filter. Configured properly it would actively filter out the need to endlessly send the server requests like "Hey, have anything for this hash?" However I suppose that if the site does have comments, then you do have to make requests to the server to get them... Still, I believe you're being overly pessimistic here. I think there may be some solutions to this. Maybe not perfect, but b…

The bloom filter wouldn't stop you from confirming folks gathered around any specific page that has content, and would have a fixed probability of leaking data even if there was no data there.

And that ignores the problem that you're not going to be able to sync the bloom filter in real time, so now you're going to need to have a very merge-friendly design for these annotations.

No, I'm not being pessimistic. This is just a candid analysis of the difficulties of doing this competently. If you'd like to do it incompetently, feel free.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by eptcyka »

bubblicious wrote: post #605
rektide wrote: post #524

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This justification still implies Chrome & Firefox also ought be content aware & be censorship machines. This is grossly unacceptable. Apps need some safe harbor too. Apps can not be responsible for every possible use of the app.

It's a lose-lose scenario for content providers. Lose if you censor ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19274406 ), lose if you don't ( https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/artkmz/youtube_is_f... )

I think it's not apples to apples, one is censoring applications, the other is not censoring videos.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by VLM »

triceratops wrote: post #907
VLM wrote: post #629

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"Fake News" is merely the 7% of journalists who identify as Republicans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_State... The problem is the political spectrum of journalists is wildly biased compared to the average citizen. This also apparently shows up with censorship of phone apps.

Why is that the case though? Do conservatives not like going into journalism? Or does become a journalist turn one away from conservatism?

Extremely hostile workplace environment. Like the southern jim crow experience.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by SamWhited »

scarface74 wrote: post #72
SamWhited wrote: post #33

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If you read HN you might know what sideloading is and how to do it. If you're anyone else and you even get as far as trying it (which isn't likely) you get a big scary warning about how obviously everything sideloaded is a virus and Google won't be able to scan it and you should use the play store (I don't actually know what it says, but the point is that it's a big scary warning). The point is that sideloading prese…

If you're anyone else and you even get as far as trying it (which isn't likely) you get a big scary warning about how obviously everything sideloaded is a virus and Google won't be able to scan it and you should use the play store (I don't actually know what it says, but the point is that it's a big scary warning). So now you want both side loading and you don’t want warnings about the possible risks of doing so? So…

I did not say we should get rid of the warning, I said it will scare some users off. That's the point of the warning, and it's a good thing, but it means sideloading isn't a viable solution.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by rektide »

ehsankia wrote: post #641
rektide wrote: post #524

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This justification still implies Chrome & Firefox also ought be content aware & be censorship machines. This is grossly unacceptable. Apps need some safe harbor too. Apps can not be responsible for every possible use of the app.

This isn't quite safe harbor. It's not like the app was removed for one user posting one bad content. If what the poster above said is true, it's closer to if an app had a user who regularly broke the rules, and the app refused to ban said person.

Agreed that it's not safe harbor really at stake.

I disagree about your comparison. This app can connect to arbitrary domain names. This is getting blocked because you are not filtering the list of domains a user can connect to proactively.

That's wild & I can think of zero precedent for it.

Re: Google is apparently taking down all/most Fediverse apps from the Play Store

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Post by triceratops »

VLM wrote: post #993
triceratops wrote: post #907

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Why is that the case though? Do conservatives not like going into journalism? Or does become a journalist turn one away from conservatism?

Extremely hostile workplace environment. Like the southern jim crow experience.

Conservative journalists are lynched for sitting at the same lunch table as their non-conservative colleagues? I think I would've heard about that...
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